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This morning I saw a bunch of flags from The Great Gujarati Android Developers Ever ! chatroom:

Chat flags

The only message I could really make heads or tails of was

U r intelligent Girl yar. I m impressed

which is neither offensive nor spam. The others, I wasn't so sure of. Even Google Translate couldn't provide me with a clear translation.

Do I let these flags sit as pending? Are these really offensive? Only voiced users can talk, so I couldn't even post a message asking users to stop flagging.

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    One possible solution : Nuke the chatroom. Commented May 13, 2016 at 13:37
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    @Sunshine I think that's a little extreme. I'd like to give these users the benefit of the doubt. I understand that we cannot actively moderate non-english chatrooms, but unless this is consistant behavior I don't think we should have to do that. Maybe we can have a flag ban or flag warning, just like the "you have recently declined flags" warning on main?
    – JAL
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 13:38
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    I can see how someone could get offended by that comment. A little more empathy...
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 13:42
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    Additionally, from a linked SE post in @Sunshine's link: When there's any doubt as to the appropriateness of a conversation (for instance: it gets flagged) and it can't be understood, it should be deleted.- Shog9♦
    – CubeJockey
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 13:45
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    That's why the guidance to 10k users is to validate these flags - we don't officially support non-English-language chat rooms and if they choose to misbehave and get flagged as a result, it is their own undoing.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 13:56
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    @JAL The literal translation of these messages mean: 1) Krupa What do you think about this conversation Krupa? 2) ha ha. Okay no problem. It happens, used to happen with me too before. (Source: I am a native Gujarati) In any case I don't think its offensive or spam.
    – Dipen Shah
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 18:05
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    @JAL Also the 'yar' in U r intelligent Girl yar. I m impressed means buddy or mate.
    – Dipen Shah
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 18:10
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    @JAL I have to disagree that U r intelligent Girl yar. I m impressed is not offensive. When I first saw it it came across like the person was impressed that the girl was smart which to me makes me think they fell most women aren't smart. To me that is sexism and offensive. Commented May 13, 2016 at 19:25
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    @NathanOliver: Seriously? How deep do people have to read into things before they realize they might be being a bit silly?
    – R_Kapp
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 19:47
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    @NathanOliver: I don't know how old you are or where in the world you reside, but where I am from, it is quite common vernacular in the 20s-30s crowd to use, e.g., "Damn dude, ..." or "Damn girl, ... " before expressing some opinion of said person. This is not done to draw attention to the person's gender, but because "Damn person, ..." sounds really awkward. I fail to see how this is any different from that.
    – R_Kapp
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 20:12
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    @NathanOliver: As someone whose parents are Indian, I'm fairly confident that's what was meant; I get "You're a smart boy" all the time from my older Indian relatives, while my wife gets "You're a smart girl". They can't be sexist both ways, can they?
    – R_Kapp
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 20:30
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    @NathanOliver: "U r intelligent Girl yar. I m impressed" is not professional and it can be considered sexist if it is addressed to a stranger but it is not an "extreme case, like hate speech, abuse against people, or abuse of the system"
    – jfs
    Commented May 13, 2016 at 20:32
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    Hard to tell with some of the "names" of people in this discussion whether up to now all the contributors have or have not been male, but as a "girl" I can say that I do NOT read any sexist connotations in the remark quoted by @NathanOliver. Commented May 15, 2016 at 5:44
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    @Nathan: "I really don't see a way that it is not sexist to be impressed that a girl is smart" Oh brother. That comment is sexist. Why must you take everything that even approaches relating to the female gender and demote it to "sexism"? Can't women be defined as something other than targets for sexism? Please? They can actually be smart y'know and we can comment on some women being smart. Just like we can comment on men being smart! For example: "you're a smart guy". This is not "offensive" for goodness's sake. Unless you want people not to reveal that women can be smart? I don't get it. Commented May 15, 2016 at 22:14

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This is why we don't support non-English chatrooms on English sites.

I've frozen the room.

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    What happens when you freeze a room? I mean, does everybody just suddenly get locked out? Do you leave some sort of message as to why it was frozen? Frozen kind of implies a temporary state. Will it ever be unfrozen, or is it over and done? I'm just curious. I don't really know anything about chat.
    – Mike M.
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 5:47
  • I did leave a message, @mike. The room is readable but not writable by non-mods; it also doesn't show up in active lists by default. Essentially just keeps it around for discussion since this thread exists.
    – Shog9
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 5:54
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    @Mike M.: Also, freezing is meant to be a permanent state; once frozen a room cannot be unfrozen by anybody except a mod. Timeouts are used for temporarily silencing a room.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 5:55
  • Yes @Mike. Shog's message - Can't read -> can't moderate. English-only, folks. Commented May 17, 2016 at 5:56
  • Oh, nifty. How'd you get to the transcript, @Sunshine?
    – Mike M.
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 5:58
  • Go to chat -> All Rooms and view the info of any room @Mike, and select "View Transcript" Commented May 17, 2016 at 6:02
  • Oh, duh. The button's even bright orange. I guess I was looking for something much more obvious. Thanks, @Sunshine!
    – Mike M.
    Commented May 17, 2016 at 6:05
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Some givens:

  • The message is not in English
  • The message cannot be discussed because the room is locked
  • The message was flagged

The first two make it very hard to enter the room and discuss what happened. It does not seem like there was malice to me, but it is very hard to tell even now after having some back and forth in comments.

As a result of not being able to get feedback, or determine if the message was in fact disrespectful, it is nearly impossible to invalidate these flags with certainty.

To be on the safe side these flags should be validated. If the room itself wishes to not be susceptible to this type of instant validation of flags, then it should remove its locked status and it will be a lot easier on everyone.

As it stands, the room itself is not abiding by the rules of Stack Overflow - English is the main language used here and the "third place" (chat) is expected to follow the same standards as its host exchange which is Stack Overflow. That said, this room has over one hundred thousand messages and dismissing it out of hand from one seemingly innocent exchange would be cruel and excessive.

Should the validation of flags on non English messages become excessive rooms should seriously consider switching to English.

However, none of this should be interpreted as a thumbs up to go on a message flagging spree. If you can understand the message, and it is offensive, then that is fair but simply flagging chat messages because they are in another language is going to be jarring on everyone and serve no real purpose.

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  • So are you suggesting the chat room be nuked if this behavior continues?
    – JAL
    Commented May 15, 2016 at 14:50
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    @Zizouz212: That does not scale, nor do we have any particular reason to induct you as an authority without further validation that your provided translations are accurate. Commented May 15, 2016 at 22:18
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    @Zizouz212 That's not right. Hun gujarati ma vaat karu chu means I speak Gujarati. Your gujarati does not make sense at all.
    – Dipen Shah
    Commented May 16, 2016 at 17:23
  • @JAL - Nope. Just saying that more flags may end up being validated if this continues. Nuking isn't my call to make, and personally I wouldn't support doing that to a room with so much activity that seems to be as on topic as other rooms for the most part.
    – Travis J
    Commented May 16, 2016 at 17:50
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I believe freezing the room may be a harsh decision but at the same time I also agree that moderators can not understand the language to verify the raised flags.

My thoughts:

  • Why should language be an obstacle to carry out technical discussions? (Given chat room has owners and moderates it regularly and sets rules for the chat room.)

  • Chat rooms should not be access restricted for moderators so that on flag abuse they can go and give a warning.

  • User abusing flags should be suspended/ penalized for raising inappropriate flags.

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