Many of the questions being asked about asp.net are being mistagged with the asp-classic. Is there anyway the two can be disassociated or differentiated enough to prevent such a problem? For instance, would changing the tag name to classic-asp be enough?
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1Why would that be enough? If it did work, it'd simply be because it made the tag more difficult to locate, which would decrease the chances that it would be used on the questions where it is appropriate.– Cody Gray ModCommented Aug 21, 2014 at 9:24
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Yes - that's why I asked: 'Is there any way...'.– user1945782Commented Aug 21, 2014 at 9:47
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If you notice specific people repeatedly making the same mistake you can @message them to tell them to stop.– slugsterCommented Aug 21, 2014 at 12:51
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2I do tend to message the OP and let them know - it's a losing battle!– user1945782Commented Aug 21, 2014 at 13:14
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2We should create a classic-asp-classic tag for the classic asp questions, migrate pure asp.net questions to asp-classic, and retag asp.net-mvc questions asp.net.– user1228Commented Aug 21, 2014 at 14:22
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3Eh? 'migrate pure asp.net questions to asp-classic' - ASP.NET is not asp-classic...– user1945782Commented Aug 22, 2014 at 8:00
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1Could we not do something like if a question contains both asp.net and asp remove asp? That would surely cut down on the edits I find myself doing just to keep the asp-classic queue clean.– user692942Commented Sep 30, 2014 at 13:28
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This post needs more love. As Paul said, fixing these problems is a losing battle. I stopped retagging them because there are too many and there's no ROI.– KeithCommented May 6, 2015 at 22:28
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I suspect a large contributor to this problem is that ASP.NET and C# show as suggested tags for Classic ASP questions. See meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/296198/…– KeithCommented Jun 5, 2015 at 18:41
2 Answers
How about a warning when mixing asp-classic with .net, c# or any other .NET-related tag? Something to the effect of:
ASP Classic is not a .NET technology. Did you mean asp.net or asp.net-mvc?
SO already has support for warnings (see the screenshot in Can we get a warning when a user tags multiple DBMSs?) so I don't think this would be breaking the mold.
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1I have to admit, I've never seen that before and didn't even know SO could do it. This would be a viable option.– user1945782Commented Apr 20, 2015 at 7:52
This problem is becoming a losing battle for the dedicated group of individuals trying to keep the asp-classic queue free from unrelated questions about asp.net.
- How many [ASP.Net] questions initially tagged [ASP] or [ASP-Classic]? (It's constantly around the 50 per month mark at the moment)
The Synonym Problem
The problem is people now refer to ASP as asp.net but because asp is a synonym of asp-classic it gets automatically changed and appears on the asp-classic queue. There isn't much you can really do about this apart from make the asp tag a synonym of the asp.net tag but then the opposite will start to happen.
What does everyone else think?
Suggestion to Handle Instances of Grouped Tags
What we could do though is look for groupings so when people mark a question as asp.net and asp (on the same question) couldn't the system remove the asp tag?, this would cut down on a lot of false positives we see in the queue.
I'm revisiting this post (again)
I've come to realise that the comment in the initial answer about changing the main tag to be classic-asp instead of asp-classic and having the others as synonyms might actually work and I think it comes down to two things;
- Historicially the term
"Classic ASP"
has always been in wider circulation then"ASP Classic"
(see this Google Trend).
Interest over time
("ASP Classic"
- Blue, "Classic ASP"
- Red)
As you can see the graph clearly shows that Classic ASP
has always been the more common variant.
- Because of the way the tag hint box works anyone typing
asp
will get asp-classic listing as their first option. This is fine but if someone goes to writeasp .net
(because for some reason certain ones feel it needs a space) you end up with asp-classic and .net.
If point 2. was reversed so the master was classic-asp instead of asp-classic I don't think this would happen as often. It would certain stop a lot of the false positives that end up in the asp-classic queue.
I should stress this won't stop people that write
asp .net
in the hint box as asp is still a synonym of asp-classic.
Revisiting for the third time
Re-running the above query in Data Explorer it's interesting to note that the number of mis-tagged questions is steadily dwindling (possible due to the efforts of the Classic ASP squad diligently editing / re-tagging questions) the message is starting to get through.
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1So, you want to blacklist [asp]? Might be a good idea, depending on how bad the problem is, but won't happen yet: The problem is not bad enough. Abandoning it though, that might work with moderator-help to break the synonym, synonymize asp-classic and classic-asp, and merge all the questions to them. Commented Sep 30, 2014 at 14:29
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3@Deduplicator I don't think that will work. My suggestion is to remove it where it is accompanied by asp.net on the same question. Any attempt to blacklist without that comparison will just send the issue to the other queue. Commented Sep 30, 2014 at 16:19
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@Deduplicator: What is blacklisting?– user1945782Commented Oct 17, 2014 at 9:27
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@Paul: Disallowing re-creation of a tag. That's strictly a developer-only power, and thus used extremely sparingly. Commented Oct 17, 2014 at 14:08
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1Sorry, @Lankymart, missed your update to this. I think both of you have valid points; breaking (ASP from ASP-Classic) and reattaching the synonym (ASP to ASP.NET) and converting ASP-Classic to a synonym that points to Classic-ASP would be the best way forward. PS: Nice graph, Lanky ;o)– user1945782Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 11:02
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@Lankymart: regarding [asp <space> .net] - you can't legislate for the lunatic!– user1945782Commented Apr 9, 2015 at 11:04
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1Maybe a solution like this could be implemented in ASP-classic vs ASP.net wars meta.stackoverflow.com/a/318948/961234– RafaelCommented Mar 17, 2016 at 0:15
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