This is not to bash noobs. Also, not a duplicate to these other questions, although relevant.
The problem of Stack Overflow (yes, this again!)
I am certain this is known to everyone. Still, I'll reiterate. Stack Overflow receives an overwhelming amount of duplicate or very basic questions every day. This has many negative effects that can be seen in various other meta posts. In summary:
- A lot of people are discouraged to post complete answers due to the fastest guns in the west; something that couldn't have happened if the question wasn't answerable in a sole line.
- There is a lot of negativity because people who actually answer questions are sick and tired of "junk" questions.
- The question quality continuously drops, which makes the site less attractive to more knowledged users.
- Help vampires don't even feel bad about it anymore.
- High reputation users are answering less frequently
- People even quit.
Why this is a problem
Let me borrow a diagram:
As countless meta posts indicate (many already linked), there is a huge conflict (prediction: this post will have both many upvotes and downvotes (probably more downvotes)) among Stack Overflow users regarding how the problem should be dealt with, or if this is a problem at all!
Why is this a problem again? Like it or not, a percentage of people are unhappy about the system. That percentage happens to be the advanced/experienced users. Whether they are a 4, unhappy and given up, or a 1, unhappy and trying to fix, they are unhappy.
The root of the problem
The root of the problem, hence the great divide among high-rep users and the unhappiness of many is that Stack Overflow tries to serve two conflicting purposes.
Example: I myself don't ask without prior research. An example is the following:
How to parse large amount of data passed to kernel module through /proc file?
Still, due to tiredness or what not, I also have this kind of question:
How do I set the table cell widths to minimum except last column?
Neither of which I feel I should have been banned from asking. My point is that there are two kinds of questions:
- Simple questions with one-line answers: They are not bad! They are very common especially if you are venturing in a new field/language. The fact that unresearched/duplicate questions fall into this category is just a sad coincidence.
- Hard questions that require deep knowledge and result in lengthy answers: These are the real problems whose answers cannot be found on the internet.
The questions of type 1 are many and the questions of type 2 are few. Many people complain (and ridicule the reward system) how their researched questions/answers don't get attention/upvote while their stupid typo-originating questions/answers get a lot of upvote. But the reward system is not the main issue. The problem is that questions of type 1 mask the questions of type 2.
In other words, the flux of type-1 questions is great (and is becoming greater), such that type-2 questions get lost. Since high-rep users generally have type-2 questions, Stack Overflow wouldn't be as helpful to them.
The solution
This can only end one way. There should be a way to divide type-1 and type-2 questions, the borderline of which is vague, I know:
- Define a set of rules (e.g. the post shall contain at least two links, one quote and one code-block) so that Stack Overflow can divide up the questions. Then users could choose to only browse type-1 or type-2 questions.
- Have Stack Overflow for type-1 questions where easy questions are asked and everyone who wants (including experienced people) happily answer them, just out of niceness. Have a dedicated site for type-2 questions where experienced people get to focus on their hard problems and help each other out. (It may also help to require a few thousands of rep on Stack Overflow before being able to post questions on the type-2 only site)
Let me reinstate the problem. There is conflicting expectations of Stack Overflow. A group of people want to ask easy questions and some want those questions answered. Another group of people think RTFM questions are worthless and want to see real questions. The former group is unhappy about the later being harsh on them and the later group is unhappy about the former being help vampires and rep whores.
Let's face it, help vampires and rep whores are happy together and they seem to be a big (even majority) of Stack Overflow users. So what right do we have to try to put them in line? What right do we have to force help vampires to research and rep whores not to answer their questions?
So, like I said, what makes everyone happy is a divide. If Stack Overflow implements solution 1, I'll be happy. But having seen the policies of Stack Overflow so far, I'm not at all optimistic about the reception of the idea. That leaves us with solution 2. Note that solution 2 doesn't imply moving the high-rep users elsewhere. Referring back to the diagram above, the users of Stack Overflow will be help vampires, rep whores and caretakers (just as they are now), while the users of the other site would be caretakers and apathics [sic]. Unlike what you may think, non-expert questions won't be left unanswered, since the expert users are still in Stack Overflow too.
If you pay close attention, you will see that solution 2 doesn't hurt Stack Overflow. If anything it would help it. It doesn't hurt it because the three categories of people on Stack Overflow will remain in Stack Overflow just as before. It may help it since the inactive-no-more high-rep users may actually turn back, since the expectation that all Stack Overflow questions must be great and well-researched is lifted and they wouldn't feel so bad about taking part in the system anymore. As a last word on this, I'd like to ask you to look realistically at Stack Overflow for a second. Stack Overflow currently majorly serves as a place to find answers to simple, common, beginner-intermediate questions. Taking that away would be a disservice to the world. We all need it.
How about the other more focused site? The people it would attract are:
- experienced users, possibly currently already high-rep in Stack Overflow: these are both the active and inactive users. This helps the inactive users become interested and helpful in another site as well as being hopeful in having their problems solved. It also helps the actives, who still like to help "the noobs", have a home to have their problems solved or take on a challenge every now and then.
- help vampires again! These should be redirected to Stack Overflow. While distinguishing type-1 and type-2 systematically could be hard, in practice it's easier. For example, if you see the question and you can answer it immediately in less than ~5 lines (excluding code and quotes), it's type-1.Furthermore, questions from help vampires are really easily distinguished from honest researched questions anyway.
In other words, the bar should be set high for this site and remain high.
Conclusion
More than half of you don't like the idea? It doesn't matter. I don't intend on taking Stack Overflow from you.
Some of you are sick and tired of the huge influx of low-quality questions? I just proposed Race Condition.
P.S. The Area 51 FAQ says:
Should my idea be part of an existing site, or its own site?
... Site X should be subsumed by site Y if:
2. If Y already exists, it already has a tag for X, and nobody is complaining
There are surely many people on Stack Overflow complaining about this, so I believe Race Condition doesn't qualify for subsumption by Stack Overflow.
"Stack Overflow" is a basic error happening more often to beginners. "Race Condition" is a more advanced, harder to detect issue occurring to people with at least some programming background.
feature-request
for that 1% chance where Solution 1 is actually implemented.divide type-1 and type-2 questions
So... separate but equal? That seems like a great idea. Then, all the people who think their questions are more important- or that they personally are better- will flock to the second site / designation. And those who self-identify as the founderingly mediocre will swarm in droves to site 1.bash
, do you search Stack Overflow? Or do you search Super User? How about Unix & Linux? I'm pretty sure you search in google, so (1) is not an issue. About (2), maybe. Didn't think of it.noobs
is not an experienced programmer.