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I wonder if we could consider actions that would encourage questions about Vim to be asked on Vi & Vim or migrated there from Stack Overflow.

This has been asked in the past, but I wonder if the opinions towards this changed in the last 5 years, particularly since the Vi & Vim site is a lot more active now.

Pros:

  • For those asking questions: they're likely to reach more people who can answer their questions in a more specialized community.
  • For those of us answering: we won't need to keep closely monitoring both the Vi & Vim and on Stack Overflow for questions to answer.
  • For the Vi & Vim site: right now the volume of questions asked on Stack Overflow tagged is quite similar to that of the Vi & Vim site. So, concentrating all the questions on Vi & Vim would potentially double the activity on Vi & Vim, fostering a more active community and possibly helping that site graduate from Beta.
  • For the Vi & Vim site: it would be easier to mark questions as duplicates. Right now we often find duplicates but on the other site and we can't mark them as such.
  • For Stack Overflow: less noise for those who come to the site with questions about coding. Also there will be a smaller burden in migrating questions there manually through moderator intervention.

Cons:

  • ???
  • Perhaps some users might feel more at home on Stack Overflow (because they've been using it forever) and would be reticent to join a separate stack to ask their questions.

Anecdotally, I can mention that I often post a comment encouraging users who asked questions on Vim on Stack Overflow to consider posting their next questions on Vi & Vim instead. I've seen other active members of the Vi & Vim community do the same.

I have also suggested migrating questions through moderator intervention and have had them migrated quite a few times. (The two I had migrated this week don't seem to have had any constraints regarding Vim also being on topic on Stack Overflow.)

The Superuser Stack Exchange site is one where some questions about Vim sometimes land, they have been very proactive in having those migrated to Vi & Vim. Unix & Linux also gets them sometimes, although their volume is much lower than on Stack Overflow.

So I thought it would be worth starting a discussion to see whether the status quo stands or whether there's interest in considering a course of action that might mutually benefit both communities.

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    Vi and Vim are on topic here, so why migrate them in the first place?
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 0:05
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    @10Rep Why duplicate efforts?
    – Voo
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 8:43
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    @10Rep Vi and Vim are both text editors (be it quite advanced) don't see how that makes them "on-topic" for Stack Overflow.
    – user692942
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 8:56
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    @Lankymart, questions relevant to programming are on-topic, see vi tag.
    – Sinatr
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 8:58
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    @Lankymart, I don't quite understand your question.
    – Sinatr
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:04
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    @Sinatr (You don't need to it's rhetorical) I'm saying that vi isn't a programming language, so if a vi question is "on-topic" it would need to be about programming vi not just set some variables to change functionality etc. However, if your "programming" vi chances are that's using c or gcc. Just looking at the vi question queue it's clear why this question is being asked.
    – user692942
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:14
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    Another Con: The migrated questions will be lost, if the beta fails. Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:15
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    @Lankymart, see what's related to programming means, there are many on-topic possibilities, c and gcc are just some. It doesn't matter if tag is not a programming language itself. E.g. notepad tag: can be on-topic and off-topic. If question is on-topic on SO it shouldn't be migrated.
    – Sinatr
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:18
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    @Sinatr nothing you linked there is that conclusive and a lot of hearsay and conjecture. Just viewing the vi question queue it's clear a lot of them are not "programming" questions.
    – user692942
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:29
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    @Sinatr OP covered this - "The Superuser Stack Exchange site is one where some questions about Vim sometimes land, they have been very proactive in having those migrated to Vi & Vim. Unix & Linux also gets them sometimes, although their volume is much lower than on Stack Overflow.".
    – user692942
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:34
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    @Sinatr I'm simply suggesting that the question has some merit based on my brief look at the vi question queue. Not suggesting people start going through the queue and closing questions or anything, just showing my support for the question.
    – user692942
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 9:39
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    I think it would help to clarify the original reason why some editors (vi/vim and emacs) get their own Stack Exchange, while for others (Eclipse, VS Code, Visual Studio) tagging is sufficient. Once that is clear, the benefits of migration might be more obvious. (Not arguing for or against.)
    – Zev Spitz
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 15:08
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    I'm disappointed the site was named "Vi & Vim" instead of "Vim & Vi," which rolls off the tongue so much better and also has built-in pun potential for "Vim & Vi-gor" or some such nonsense.
    – user513951
    Commented Sep 9, 2020 at 15:49
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    Points 1-3 kindof assume that SO askers & answerers are or would-be as active on Vi & Vim. If an answerer of SO content including Vim posts now would need to now check 2 sites, that seems less convenient to me.
    – xdhmoore
    Commented Sep 10, 2020 at 18:17
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    Amount of questions tagged vi or vim on various sites: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/611134/… – jut FYI. Commented Sep 10, 2020 at 23:04

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If you want to encourage people to use VI.SE, feel free to. I have a canned comment for people misusing the SEO tag to ask their SEO questions on Webmasters.SE. There's no harm in telling people about more specific SE sites in comments.

Migration is trickier because technically migration is really a closure. That means the question needs to be off-topic on SO first. We decided long ago that SEO (which is really website marketing) wasn't a programming topic which makes that easy. But vi and vim are considered programming tools for most applications. If you want to start another Meta question about where we can draw that line, feel free, but understand that

  1. Mods are leery of migration anyways (we don't know what other sites' topic policies are in most cases)
  2. We err on the side of programming tools being on-topic on SO, and that policy tends to be broad

Without some pretty clear community supported guidelines, I don't see this policy changing.

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    Not only they are programming tools, but vim has it's own scripting language, with support for pluggins. Asking questions about debugging .vim code should be on topic, as long as they follow the guidelines. Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 14:22
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    Out of pure curiosity (just because I can't think of any immediately,) other than the vim and emacs stacks, are there other stacks where nearly their entire scope is on-topic for SO? That does seem like it creates a kind of weird situation.
    – reirab
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 19:53
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    @reirab I'm not sure of all the Stacks out there, but Programmers/Software Engineering has a ton of overlap. I'm sure there's some esoteric ones that do as well.
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 20:20
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    @reirab code review, code golf, software engineering, tex and latex, wordpress development, etc. Despite the scope being defined "broadly" actually is very focused into practical questions unique to software development
    – Braiam
    Commented Sep 8, 2020 at 20:22
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    Speaking as someone who would prefer to have all the vi questions in one place (on the specialised vi.se site), this answer is frustrating. Nothing in it is wrong, but it doesn't address the main point of the question, which is that there are lots of reasons why vi questions would be better on the dedicated vi.se site, and very few downsides to shifting them there. You haven't made any counterarguments to this point: you've just restated what the status quo is.
    – Rich
    Commented Sep 9, 2020 at 10:13
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    @Rich: It is possible and quite normal that a question is on-topic on multiple sites. The kinds of answers that the question gets will however typically be different, so the asker can choose the community based on which types of answers they want. If people prefer the kinds of answers they are getting on Vi & Vim, they will be posting their questions there anyway, and if they prefer the kinds of answers they are getting on SO, then who are we to deny them that choice? Commented Sep 9, 2020 at 12:12
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    @Rich Quite the opposite. Again, to migrate from SO, it first needs to be off-topic on SO, and we've established that generally isn't the case. If you want to cross this bridge we first need a good source (like a Meta question) that clearly delineates what vi/vim questions are off-topic for SO. Most people, if given a choice, would prefer to ask on SO since it gets more traffic. We can't babysit the vi/vim tags to push them all to VI.SE either.
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Sep 9, 2020 at 12:45
  • @Machavity filbranden will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that discussion is what this question was intended to initiate.
    – Rich
    Commented Sep 9, 2020 at 14:40
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    @Rich No, this question is about [migration]. What you need is a discussion about [scope]
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Sep 9, 2020 at 14:48
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    It's not really the case that the entire scope of the Vi site is on-topic on SO @reirab; quite a few questions on the Vi site would be closed on SO. If you read the on topic the last two items are an AND (not OR): "software tools AND problem that is unique to software development'. There's certainly plenty of overlap, but generally speaking the Vi site is much more broad. Commented Sep 10, 2020 at 22:54
  • interesting... this is the mod answer I expected, but it seems to conflict with the voting on meta.stackoverflow.com/a/287108/11107541, which dictates a much narrower definition of what vi/vim questions are within scope for SO, and recommends migrating questions that are not within that definition. also interesting is the answer voting on meta.stackoverflow.com/q/375552/11107541.
    – starball
    Commented Jan 12 at 17:52
  • another mod answer I expected, which lines up with this one is under: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/306735/11107541
    – starball
    Commented Jan 12 at 18:28

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