New users (and even sometimes not so new) forget or don't know about the @userName ping mechanism. Even when they know about it (as pointed by @abarnet), they often end up with different misconceptions about how it works and how it should be used.
It obviously leads to comments read by no one or at least to comments that are not read by (theoretically) targeted person.
Well, if one is interested in a possible reply from somebody, they can wait for it or periodically check the comments, but it is at least ineffective and time-consuming.
The reason behind this problem is the fact that not everyone is aware of the need to use @userName
ping in comments.
So, the proposal:
To increase awareness about the comment notifications show small tips for users when they write first
N
comments on posts.
Subproposal (or alternative proposal) by @Sayse:
Change default tip in the comment textbox to contain more useful tip or even the link to the "How do comment replies work"
For example:
When a user comments on their first (2nd or 3rd) question (or other post), they will see some "unobtrusive popup" like:
If you want to notify a specific user about your comment use @userName notation in the text. More information at How do comment replies work.
With some "I acknowledge" or "I know" flag (button) that will allow to dismiss it and stop from bothering the OP anymore.
Objections - points and counterpoints:
1. Point: Questions in need of discussion-like commenting are usually bad questions.
Counterpoint: I agree that a lot of questions in need of commenting are of shoddy quality, but some of them can be easily improved (thus reducing VTC review queue and quantity of questions without answers), and also there are a lot of legitimate situations where feedback or clarifications are required.
2. Point: Most of users due to experience, observation and inquisitiveness will learn about it on their own at some point in time.
Counterpoint: Most of questions come from new users, who obviously do not have experience, whose observations are limited, and whose inquisitiveness is directed on their current problem and (I hope) on an attempt to formulate some sort of an on-topic question. Helping them to understand even small part of [SO] mechanics without need to constantly educate them manually is a boon for sure.
3. Point The proposal will have only meager effect on overall site quality.
Counterpoint: Yes, but even small automatic improvement is a worthy addition. Plus it is not enormously complex and difficult to implement.
4. Point The more of them know about it, the more they will bother those they can.
Counterpoint: Yes, but they can do it now. Most of new users just do not know about it - currently it is just like security through obscurity, and those who know about it rarely use two or more comments in such a way being barely a nuisance. For those who can become a real problem there already exists comment flagging system.
5. Point Users need to have 50 rep to comment(as pointed by @Sayse).
Counterpoint: Yes, but as far as I know users can comment on their own posts regardless of rep. And there are a lot of > 50 rep users, that it will still affect a lot of people.
6. Point The proposal may be more suitable on https://meta.stackexchange.com/.
Counterpoint: Probably, but I'd try to discuss it here at first.
@
, and get the basic gist, but don't actually understand how it works—so they write things like@Gene
thinking "everyone will figure out that refers to Eugene Podskal", not realizing that the pingback code will not figure out any such thing. (I honestly don't know how someone manages to type@abarnett
while missing all of the attempts to get them to autocomplete@abarnert
, but they do, and then I see their comment months later…) Would you proposal help with that? If so, that's another point in its favor.tab
orenter
and it would autofill the first username in the list.@user
is not working." Yes, that's because of this silliness.