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I just stumbled upon a self-answer (now deleted, 10k only) which does not provide any substantial information and seems to be driven by frustation and the user getting in a huff:

So I have found a solution to this problem which completely satisfies the criteria 1) and 2) above. Since no one can be bothered to help a beginner by offering helpful suggestions, I will not post the solution.

Clearly, this is not an answer and does not try to solve the problem, which makes it eligible for an NAA flag and deserves a downvote. However, I am not sure, if this is enough. I consider this post disrespectful towards the rest of the community and it shows a bad attitude, which does not play well with our be-nice policy.

How should this behavior be dealt with? Is this worth bothering a moderator or should I just

  1. downvote,
  2. comment,
  3. flag as NAA?
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    The question reveals the user's age. It will get better when he gets older, no big deal. Commented May 16, 2018 at 13:44
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    No idea why I have to be sure, it is just as plausible an explanation as any. Try to keep that glass half-full, tolerating each other's occasional missteps is by far the best way to keep everybody getting along with each other. Commented May 16, 2018 at 13:57
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    Honestly the poster's response is appropriate. SO isn't nice to beginners at all. There's really no reason for beginners to be nice to SO. Doesn't matter though cause SO is incapable of admitting it. Even when the someone did finally admit it in the official blog, the community just held discussions which all avoided the actually problem at hand. Just admit that SO is not currently a website for beginners and move on.
    – user5451396
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:07
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    @Steve: We can be nice to non-programmers (which is what most of the people you euphemistically call "beginners" really are) without making room for them on the site. Telling them politely they're in the wrong place so they don't waste their time and breath is one of the nicest things one can do for them. OTOH, being unwelcoming to off-topic unresearched posts does not in the slightest excuse claiming that kind of response is an answer, so the first sentence of your comment is 100% wrong.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:10
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    @BenVoigt Thanks for providing an example of the problem Ben. It's not that the poster's response is an answer, it's that the poster is completely justified in being pissed at SO and has absolutely no reason to even try to follow the sites guidelines at this point.
    – user5451396
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:12
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    @Steve: If by "problem" you mean "cool detached and unemotional response", then sure. No, the poster is not justified in his attitude. True that someone who doesn't meet the criteria for becoming a user has little reason to even try to follow the rules. The site will survive.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:14
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    ...of OP's code. I just voted to undelete, encouraging others to reconsider their actions. I'd rather see it closed as a duplicate of "How to filter select box based on value in preceding select box?". I totally agree with @HansPassant, that we should be "tolerating each other's occasional missteps", with the answer being one such misstep, the question being none. Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:23
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    @Steve: Where's the mistake or wrong doing, with respect to this user? I see no unkind comments, or any engagement by the community. Eventually a canned but clear message that a complete example is required but that came after the fake answer was posted. The deletion came many hours after the original poster's impatient response. Original poster doesn't even claim to have been mistreated, he claims to have been ignored. That's life on a volunteer site -- there's no service level agreement promising help from a competent expert in a finite amount of time. Unfortunate, but not wrongdoing.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:31
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    @Steve: No one was anything other than nice. The original poster complained about silence, not rudeness. A very entitled attitude, that effectively express that he thinks someone is required to answer every question. That's not "appropriate", that's treating experts like slaves.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:35
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    @Steve: Most beginners who use SO at the very beginning of their programming "journey" (or studies, or career) have a very fruitful experience. It's the ones who equate "use SO" with "Hit the Ask a Question button" that frequently run into difficulty. Reading, reading, and reading some more is the correct way to start "using" SO.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:36
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    @BenVoigt APMFC, "Doesn't matter though cause SO is incapable of admitting it"
    – user5451396
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:37
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    @Steve: You aren't paying any attention to what I'm saying. You said "SO is not currently a website for beginners". I adjusted that somewhat to "SO is not currently, and never was intended to be, a website for beginners to ask their questions". Your first sentence was wrong. The part of the answer you keep quoting, I agreed with, several times. (Well, except that you're also wrong that SO is "incapable of admitting it". The FAQ, I, and many other among the experts plainly say that it's a site for professional and enthusiast programmers only,) Quit pretending that's a problem.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:41
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    @BenVoigt APMFC " Even when the someone did finally admit it in the official blog", I'm guessing you haven't read that blog post.
    – user5451396
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:42
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    @Steve: You show your ignorance with every comment. If you researched SO's response to said blog post, as you claim, then surely you've seen my answer
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:44
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    @BenVoigt Pros and enthusiats includes beginners...
    – user5451396
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:48

4 Answers 4

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  1. Downvote,
  2. Flag as "NAA",
  3. Delete-vote,
  4. Comment,
  5. All of the above.

"Answers" like that do not answer the question, add no value to the site, and should be removed. All of the above actions help in that regard.
(Maybe aside from comments, which may only result in a "heated debate", in this case)

Here's the (now deleted) answer: enter image description here

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  • You are right: it's the heated debate I would like to avoid. On the other hand, I am not sure if the user gets the message if the post is just deleted in the end. That's why I asked about involving a moderator to make a clear statement that this behavior is not acceptable. Commented May 16, 2018 at 13:29
  • The post is now deleted (Last vote coming from a moderator)
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 13:30
  • With a nice comment, though, which managed to sneak in moments before deletion! No debate in this case... Commented May 16, 2018 at 13:31
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    Thx for qualifying my comment of nice. I tried to make it as neutral as possible @altocumulus
    – Patrice
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 13:44
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    @cpburnz: This answer explicitly avoided answering the question. It said as much in the answer. I can guarantee you that's a valid "NAA" flag.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 14:15
  • It's okay. I figured it'd be best to add a screenshot, for context.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 16, 2018 at 14:17
  • I would say comment on the question and not the answer, since the minute the answer gets deleted (and that took an hour at most) the only people that can read the comments to it are 10K+ users. If you comment on the question you might get a better chance the OP will see the comment. Commented May 17, 2018 at 7:05
  • you may add that the question doesn't add any value as well in the first place. Commented May 17, 2018 at 7:18
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    @ZoharPeled I believe users can always see their deleted content and the comments on them, so it shouldn't matter here, no? The only thing it takes away is the chance for that user to reply to me.... which is not necessarily a bad thing
    – Patrice
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 21:28
  • @Patrice they can see their recently deleted posts, but they have to either do that from their questions/answers page, or to go directly to the question page. Commented May 18, 2018 at 5:16
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    There's no need to leave a comment under an inflamed post like that. It will usually end in more conflict. My advice would be use flags and votes.
    – user3956566
    Commented May 18, 2018 at 17:07
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Flag as NAA, and downvote. I would not comment in this case. The self-answer is borderline trolling, and there's no point in feeding trolls.
I can see the temptation to give verbal negative feedback to an OP like this, but we're better than that.

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  • can't we beg for the solution, though? Commented May 17, 2018 at 7:10
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    @Jean-FrançoisFabre I suppose one could. I'd ignore the answerer's negativity. Something like, "hey, I have that problem too, can you tell me how you solved it?" The key, IMO, is to not respond to the negativity itself. Commented May 17, 2018 at 7:14
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    @S.L.Barth: Considering the "answer" explicitly states not wanting to give an answer on SO. There's not much we can get out of that.
    – Cerbrus
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 8:09
  • I wouldn't call a deeply frustrated user a "troll". There's a significant difference between the two.
    – code_dredd
    Commented May 18, 2018 at 17:24
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Consider taking the high road and encouraging people to contribute to the community, while also setting the appropriate expectations.

There's at least some chance the user is just trying to feel heard - and lashing out doesn't fix that problem. Even if the user doesn't change their ways, this approach still builds a welcoming environment.

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The post is presumably bad content, so downvote, deletevote and flag as not an answer.

But is it evil enough to be flagged as "Rude and Abusive", which can result in serious consequences? Unless it's targeting a specific user, or a protected group of people (eg gender), I'd say no.

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  • Why is this downvoted? Does someone think the answer should be flagged as rude/abusive?
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented May 18, 2018 at 4:36
  • @BoltClock Obviously not, but this answer slightly misses the point as neither my question nor any other answer nor any comment even mentioned the "rude and abusive" flag. It's an answer to a question that was not asked (OT on my own behalf: is there an english word for this?) Had this been a comment, fair enough, but as an answer, I don't know. Disclaimer: I was one of the downvoters. Commented May 18, 2018 at 20:37
  • Your question talked about the post violating the “be nice” policy, and talked about doing “something more”. The only “something more”s I know of, or ways of enforcing “be nice”, are either a custom flag, which is for a situation so odd no normal categories apply, or flagging as rude and abusive. Commented May 18, 2018 at 23:32

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