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The Phase #2 of the burnination process described here, is completed and it has been decided that the tag should NOT be removed from the system.


As-is, the tag is off-topic for Stack Overflow. There are 117 questions tagged and 250 followers. (Of which the followers should probably be on Chemistry SE instead).

Many of the questions relate to solving problems in chemistry using computers, but the motivation for the question is irrelevant to the actual question. Is this just a meta-tag which can be burninated?

At the very least, there should be usage guidance in the tag info to prevent misuse.

Chemistry is a natural science concerned with the constitution and properties of elements and chemical compounds (molecules), their transformation through interactions in their outer electron shell (chemical reactions) and the interaction of chemical compounds with electromagnetic radiation.

Here's an example of a relatively recent off-topic question.

It fails at criteria 2 from "When to burninate", namely the concept isn't even on topic for the site.


Some usage guidance has now been added:

For programming questions that involve chemistry - such as questions about programmatically working with chemical formulae, simulating chemical processes, or using chemistry-related libraries and APIs. Non-programming questions about chemistry are off-topic here, but may be on-topic on chemistry.stackexchange.com.

Is this enough? Are there questions which reasonably fit this description? I feel this may still be too broad, and that the chemistry-related APIs should have their own tags.


I have finished doing an initial sweep of closing off-topic questions. The next stage of my effort will be to go back and remove the tag from questions which aren't "really" about chemistry. I have not removed the tag from actual chemistry-related questions (pending community approval).

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    So, you want to dissolve [chemistry] because its meaning is too dilute?
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 6:38
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    Let's decide on the basis of clearly on topic questions. Is Parsing a chemistry equation an equally valid question without the tag chemistry?
    – Jongware
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 13:50
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    @RadLexus I think the solutions to that question have no specific relationship to chemistry. The tag is just there because the word "chemistry" appeared in the post. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 15:29
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    I also spoke with a regular on Chem.SE, and they agreed it can be burninated. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 18:34
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    Why would someone on Chem.SE be familiar with the types of tags that are useful on Stack Overflow? As a regular on Stack Overflow, should I be consulted when Chem.SE makes decisions about their tags?
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 5, 2017 at 7:38
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    @CodyGray Chem.SE sometimes gets questions about programming for chemistry purposes, so there's a bit of overlap with the communities there. Commented Feb 5, 2017 at 15:05
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    @CodyGray If they were previously using the [chemistry] tag in migrated questions, I wanted some from Chem.SE to explain if that tag was important or not. Commented Feb 5, 2017 at 15:15
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    @Makyen For the heck of it, I did a search for homeopathy. I got 18 hits. Commented Feb 6, 2017 at 22:15
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    @Undo Is this burninate request still under review? Some time has passed and I'm not sure if a decision has been made. Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 21:47
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    @4castle Mind flagging it again? I can't really deal with it right now, but someone else should be able to.
    – Undo Mod
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 21:49
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    Stats at the start of [feature]ing: Q: 28/7, A1: 21/10, A2: 23/7, A3: 9/3.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 12:43
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    @usr2564301 (c-n-p previous comment) I would say "yes", it's like "how to parse html using an html parser". "How to parse X?" can do it without the X tag, since the structure of what's being parsed is fluid. "How to parse a sentence?" "How to parse a math equation?" "How to parse a mathematical identity?" etc. we would need many, many tags. BTW, that question is trying to use something akin to a tokenizer, not a parser designed to parse chem formulae. The answer is using regex, mind you.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 14:42
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    @Jean-François Please don't edit the title when the post is [featured].
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 14:58
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    Stats at the end of [feature]ing: Q: 68/18, A1: 38/31 - community disagreed, A2: 85/19 - comm agreed, A3: 17/5 - comm agreed, A4: 30/-4 - comm agreed A5: 6/-12 - comm disagreed. (remaining 2 had < 5 votes). A tough one here, but concentrating on the two poles - A2 said not to burn and got +62/-12. A4 said to burn and got +30/-4. As A2 is more than twice A4, the request is declined
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:05
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    FWIW, this strikes me as somewhat akin to the flappy-bird tag, insofar as it is used to describe the problem in some way.
    – Shog9
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:30

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I'm not sure that this tag is worthless. In particular, I think that Yvette's rationale for burninating - namely, that

Chemistry has nothing to do with programming.

- is a bad reason to burninate.

Yvette is certainly right that chemistry is not innately programming-related, but from looking at the tag it seems clear that people doing chemistry-related software development come across a bunch of chemistry-specific programming problems. The questions Parsing a chemical formula, Smallest Set of Smallest Rings, and Plotting an IR Spectrum with Gnuplot are good examples. It's also certainly the case that chemistry is something that Stack Overflow users can have expertise in - either because it's the industry they work in, or because they did a degree in it in a past life, or just because they've learned a lot about chemistry for some other reason. Aren't these points, together, sufficient to justify keeping the tag?

Note also that we have several other tags for industries and problem domains that are not innately programming-related, including , , , , and (all with >100 followers). The rationale that Yvette applies here would also suggest that all these tags should be deleted. But I'd argue against that for the same reason: those domains contain unique programming-related problems, and there are people who are domain experts who will benefit from those tags helping them seek those problems out.

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    Well, [finance], [accounting] and [linguistics] should be burninated for sure, too.
    – usr1234567
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 12:13
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    @Braiam that sentence is a little confusing. A typo?
    – user3956566
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 12:23
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    @Braiam I'm not arguing that simply because code is being used in a particular industry, questions about it should have that industry's tag. A question like "How do I make the title pink on my chemistry website?" is not a chemistry-related question and shouldn't be tagged as one. But other questions - while still being programming questions - are innately related to particular industry, the one about parsing chemical formulae being a good example. It's that class of question that I think benefits from having industry- and domain-specific tags - ones where the domain certainly does matter.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 12:25
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    @ChristianGollhardt I agree. Done.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 12:32
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    @MarkAmery well, why not having [economics] tag too, or [administration], or [operational-research], or [econometrics], or [physics]? All those use programming one way or another.
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 12:44
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    I don't think it's possible for someone to be an expert on [chemistry] within the domain of Stack Overflow. The questions span all kinds of programming languages, and the answers don't (or shouldn't) require background knowledge of chemistry in order to answer. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 17:35
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    "Chemistry has nothing to do with programming. - is a bad reason to burninate." It's criteria number 2 in determining if something should be burninated. I think it's pretty relevant. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 20:07
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    A missing point here, IMO, is that I cannot imagine an on-topic question on SO that would only be tagged [chemistry]. And from help: If the tag can’t work as the only tag on a question, it’s probably a meta-tag. Not a strict rule, but to keep in mind though.
    – Tunaki
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 21:46
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    @GabeSechan Every computer program is ultimately an effort to solve a real-world problem, unless it's (a) an exercise or dummy program meant to help someone learn or demonstrate a programming concept or (b) tooling or infrastructure to facilitate the writing of more programs. But the real-world problem domain doesn't actually provide anything more than circumstantial context for questions that are on-topic here. The fact that a particular problem arises in the context of computational linguistics may be worth mentioning in the question body, but that doesn't mean it's useful as a tag. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:13
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    @KyleStrand THe field of computational linguistics assumes a certain set of known techniques and programming concepts. If that isn't worthy of a tag, nothing is Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:18
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    @GabeSechan "Nothing" is? Piffle. Technologies (e.g. programming languages and environments) are clearly more relevant than problem domains that happen to have "known techniques" associated with them. By "known techniques," I assume you mean algorithmic approaches to common problems in the domain. But in most cases, I would expect questions that actually require this sort of algorithmic knowledge to be likely candidates for the "too broad" flag. Also, as noted in other comments, there is already scicomp.stackexchange.com, where such questions would probably be more appropriate. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:24
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    Parsing a chemical formula is not programatically different from any other form of parsing. Lets say a mathematical equation, some reverse polish notation, a script language etc etc. The smallest set of smallest rings is a sheer algorithm problem that is more suitable for cs.stackexchange.com. Etc etc. Very few programmers make programs for programming's own sake. There's always an application with a purpose.
    – Lundin
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 14:53
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    The approach is the same. You specify tokens and delimiters. You build up some sort of expression tree. You process it. You present the results.
    – Lundin
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 14:59
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    @Lundin Sure (or you use tools that do those things for you, like regexes or parsing libraries). But at the level of abstraction that you're having to zoom out to here, it's not just all parsing problems that are the same, but all programming problems. "The approach is the same. You determine the logic your process has to follow, and then specify it using the syntax of your programming language." Just as true as your observation, but both points are clearly impractical; there are frequently useful things to be said about how to solve specific problems.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 15:06
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    But it sounds as if there is not one specific problem, but rather several, unrelated problems: understanding the task, ask at chemistry.stackexchange.com, designing an optimal algorithm for the task, ask at cs.stackexchange.com, then implement it in some programming language, possibly on-topic on SO if specific enough.
    – Lundin
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 15:53
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The problem with this tag is that it doesn't really tie the questions together in a meaningful way. In other words it fails Burnination Test #4. Let's consider some actual questions

They're all about chemistry problems, but each describes a different type of coding problem. So even if I had a coding question about chemistry, this tag is all but useless to me because they're just the subject of the problem. This is why I disagree with Mark Amery, on this

Note also that we have several other tags for industries and problem domains that are not innately programming-related, including finance, physics, accounting, statistics, and linguistics (all with >100 followers).

This is a terrible reason to keep a tag. It's like saying we need a tag for cars, because people can write code to run a car. Or run inside a car's computer. Or use while riding in a car. Tags should describe what language or coding concepts are being used or asked about. Tags that merely describe the subject of the problem should have no place here. Put those words in the title or question, not the tag.

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    I disagree, the context can describe the concepts used very concisely. For example code for cars would be real time code that needs to be reliable and failsafe. Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 15:09
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    @HopefullyHelpful Why can't those details be added to the question body? Why would there be a generic tag. As stated by many here what "chemistry" can mean is subjective.
    – Shawn
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 16:04
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    @HopefullyHelpful I fail to see how a tag can promote "real time code that needs to be reliable and failsafe". I mean, the software I write at work has those same constraints (and no, I don't work on cars). By contrast, I can easily see how a generic tag like this can promote lots of noise. "My car won't drive straight." "How do I make a car follow GPS?"
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 16:53
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    Additional note: domain expertise in chemistry is relevant; the parser couldnt be done in regex by someone unfamiliar with chemistry formula rules Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 23:06
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    @DavidBenKnoble The rules are simple enough that someone without domain expertise could easily determine what the OP's code is doing incorrectly, though; and if that were not the case, the OP should be able to explain what the parser is doing incorrectly and what the desired behavior is-- at which point the parsing is indeed strictly a programming problem that happens to have a useful application in chemistry. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:16
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    "Parsing a chemical formula form a string in C#" is way, way more specific and answerable than "Parsing a string using C#".
    – mrr
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 3:53
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    @MilesRout We're not proposing banning the use of the word "chemistry" from questions and question titles. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 5:45
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    @HopefullyHelpful: For example code for cars would be real time code that needs to be reliable and failsafe. => not when it's the entertainment system, or the climate-control system, or... just because it runs in a car doesn't imply anything by itself. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 8:23
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    If you were going to permit [chemistry] for this reason it suggests that I should tag most of my posts with [finance] (my current job) as there could be some underlying requirement for it to be FCA compliant, even if it's something like "How do I sum a column of numbers?" and @MilesRout I disagree with your comment on parsing, as parsing everything is going to be unique to whatever you're parsing unless it has been asked before. Would 'How do I parse an ISBN number in the format LNNN' be tagged as [literature] or [book-filing]?
    – NibblyPig
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 9:03
  • Maybe there's a solid objection to my view here, but I personally don't think you've managed to articulate it. I think the key point where I don't understand your argument is where you say "They're all about chemistry problems, but each describes a different type of coding problem." Couldn't I just as accurately say about questions in, for instance, the PHP tag "They're all about PHP problems, but each describes a different type of coding problem."? In what concrete way does the PHP tag "tie together" questions better than the chemistry tag? Don't both fields have experts?
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 10:55
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    I think [Chemistry] is to Chemistry questions what [Programming] would be to programming ones. You're encompassing the entire field of chemistry in your tag. But PHP is known only by specific PHP users. A PHP guru could answer most PHP questions. But a PhD Chemistry professor wouldn't be able to answer most chemistry questions, only those in their field plus simple general questions. I would say if you could write no more than a big textbook that covers 99% of the topic, then it's a good tag. If you have to write 50 textbooks as you would with Chemistry, then it's so broad as to be unhelpful.
    – NibblyPig
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 12:45
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    @MarkAmery Apples to oranges. Chemistry is a field of science. PHP is a programming language. So the PHP tag ties together coding problems solved with PHP (which are inherently on-topic). Chemistry is neither a programming language, nor is it a way to solve coding problems. The tag is being used to indicate the problem being solved is chemistry. That's a bad reason to have a tag.
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 13:19
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    @Braiam Well if it's tagged chemistry then someone that knows chemistry and is on StackOverflow is likely to know. Jesus christ, this isn't a difficult concept.
    – mrr
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 22:24
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    "so people can ask pure economics questions on the site" - no! The existence of an economics tag does not imply that a question asking for an explanation of Arrow's Impossibility Theorem is on-topic, any more than the existence of the Android tag implies that it's okay to ask what the best dating app for Android is. Questions on Stack Overflow that are tagged as chemistry should involve both chemistry and programming, such that they're of interest to (and answerable by) people working in the intersection of those two fields. As @MilesRout says, this isn't a difficult concept.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 22:45
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    Tags aren't categories though. If I ask how to calculate VAT at 20% in a kendo UI gridview column I wouldn't tag it as [Maths] and [Finance]. If you have a nuanced question go to the chemistry stackexchange to figure out how to do it, and post on SO for how to implement it. The only overlap might be chemistry programming languages, but in my opinion even that shouldn't be tagged as [Chemistry] anymore than C# should be tagged as [Object-Oriented-Programming] as I don't see the relevance of the programming language. If there's a chemistry language like Chem# then tagging it [Chem#] is enough.
    – NibblyPig
    Commented Mar 8, 2017 at 10:37
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I believe a distinction should be made, at least for the purposes of this discussion, between:

  • Questions that only involve chemistry as circumstantial background which is not relevant for the answers. The examples in Mark Amery's answer (e.g. Plotting an IR Spectrum with Gnuplot) are of this kind. I don't think such questions need the tag.

  • Questions that are about software, libraries and APIs that deal specifically with chemical problems (computational quantum chemistry, molecular dynamics simulations, etc.). For instance, one such question which is on-topic is Computational chemist using MDAnalysis - How to instantiate Atoms? [1]. In the case of these questions, the tag is arguably useful, specially considering that programmers with experience with computational chemistry software are more likely to have ran into the relevant software at some point, or at least to be able to understand the terms of art in the relevant documentation.

A very similar discussion was once held about the tag. There is also a tag, though note that the "cheminformatics" term has a narrower meaning.


Footnotes:

[1]: For the sake of contrast, an off-topic example is https://stackoverflow.com/q/36057046/2751851, which clearly should have been asked at chemistry.SE.

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    I agree there's a distinction, but the on-topic question you posted for the second group wouldn't suffer from removing the [chemistry] tag. It already has a much more specific and on-topic tag for their specific software that would be much more likely to attract people who can answer the question. The other two tags you mention are much more oriented towards this site. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 19:05
  • Can those tags be used alone in a on topic question?
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 19:13
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    @4castle In principle, yes; however, the fact that that tag has six followers, five questions and three answers between them doesn't exactly raise hopes from the point of view of the asker. (Not that using [chemistry] helped the asker in this case either, of course...)
    – duplode
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 19:18
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    @Braiam [mdanalysis]: yes. [bioinformatics] and [cheminformatics]: unlikely, but not entirely implausible (I wonder if there are any existing examples). [chemistry]: well... not really. Something like [molecular-dynamics] might pass your test, though.
    – duplode
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 19:52
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    (@Braiam This is not really relevant, but I'm now wondering about what would be the optimal formulation of your test. For instance, a question about a library for a specific language always (?) has at least two applicable tags.)
    – duplode
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 19:56
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    Does this tag makes it really more likely that it will get an answer? The answer is normally no. In fact, the libraries tags were created since there are people that know way too much about how a library works rather than the language in general.
    – Braiam
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 20:44
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    @duplode I think the mdanalysis tag on that example question is more useful than the chemistry tag. Something tagged with mdanalysis is obviously going to be about chemistry, because that's what the mdanalysis program is for; it entirely precludes/obviates the need for a separate chemistry tag.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 14:48
  • @TylerH That is a reasonable argument, and [mdanalysis] is certainly an useful tag as far as long-term classification of questions go. However, this kind of library tag might be too niche to attract any significant number of followers, which means a broader tag might be useful for leading potential answerers to the questions. (Admittedly, this tag doesn't necessarily have to be [chemistry]. Perhaps it would be a good idea to rename it [computational-chemistry], or to have a [molecular-dynamics] tag that covers the specific technique MDAnalysis implements.)
    – duplode
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 15:59
  • Some researchers are using DNA to store data, so chemistry may be more pertinent than ever soon.
    – user4639281
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 16:18
  • @TinyGiant indeed.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 19:20
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    If only some fraction of posts with the [chemistry] tag actually fit this strict definition, is there any point in having the tag? Or is that a bit too meta-meta. Chemistry is a bit of a broad topic in that example post. Sorta like tagging a question about correct rivet tension in an x993-b steel beam as [architecture]. Not sure how it'd be so useful...
    – NibblyPig
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 9:12
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Chemistry has nothing to do with programming. I say we burninate it.

It has 117 posts combined with other tags that are not all related. We don't need tags about business logic domains.

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    "Chemistry has nothing to do with programming." It's a grey field, there are a lot of chemistry mechanisms, that can be solved algorithmic. Think DNA. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 8:41
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    That's a problem domain, not related to the programming. There's plenty of equations used in many scientific domains, even in beauty and health. We don't need business domain tags
    – user3956566
    Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 8:44
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    But, but we have a lot of business domain related tags. That's a big task to push all of them away. Let's start with hft, that's one of the fields I hate most of all. Commented Feb 4, 2017 at 9:09
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    Computational chemistry has a lot to do with programming :-) However, questions about the chemistry aspect might fit better in the respective tags at Chemistry.SE or SciComp.SE
    – Bergi
    Commented Feb 6, 2017 at 0:36
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    @πάνταῥεῖ Oh jeeze, this was the top result in that query when I looked. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:17
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I think this is an example of a tag being used to add context to a question instead of including the context within the post itself. Unless a decent following of people are coming onto Stack Overflow and specifically searching for questions tagged then I don't see a requirement for it.

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    There are 267 followers of a tag with only ~100 questions. When there are twice as many followers as there are questions, that suggests a hyperactive interest that should probably not be handwaved away.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 16:44
  • Fair enough (I didn't actually go and check the amount of followers) so there is in fact a decent following and you're spot on. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 16:53
  • @TylerH we need to know who they are and why are they following the tag. If they answer anything but "I answer questions with this tag", I would remove it.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 17:25
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    @Braiam Better get started on interviewing them then
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 17:28
  • @TylerH that made me chuckle! Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 17:32
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Stackoverflow questions should be very specific as per the FAQ:

  • a specific programming problem, or
  • a software algorithm, or
  • software tools commonly used by programmers; and is
  • a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development

Therefore if you are asking any chemistry related question, you should already know what you are trying to achieve.

If you ask "I have an atom with an angular velocity of 24 and I want to use the formula a=b+v-u/t and put the value into a textbox, here is my attempt but I am getting the wrong answer" then it's an acceptable question. The chemistry element is completely irrelevant and adds nothing to the question. A chemistry expert is no more or less likely to be able to answer this as it is a programming question.

If you ask "I have an atom, how do I calculate its angular velocity and put it into a textbox?" Then you're asking two questions, one of them is off-topic. You've failed to meet the criteria above as this isn't a specific programming problem.

In this instance you should post on chemistry stackexchange asking how you calculate angular velocity. Once you understand what it is you want to do, then you can ask the programming question on here.

Tagging the second question as [Chemistry] serves no purpose other than inviting chemists to solve the chemistry part of your problem. This isn't what stackoverflow is about, as it is about programming not chemistry.

The other instance you may think to use [Chemistry] is if you are using a science based programming language like CP2k. However there is still no relevance to tagging this as Chemistry, as you should again be asking a specific programming problem and not asking how to perform chemistry itself. Therefore tagging it as [CP2K] should be sufficient for Chemists to help you.

At this point you may argue that Chemistry students know a wide range of languages therefore they would have to subscribe to [CP2K] amongst 30 other programming languages based on science. So if we had a generic [Chemistry] tag then that would help group them.

However to that I say I subscribe to [C#], [Asp.net] [Asp.net-mvc] [sql] [php] [jquery] [javascript] [html] and a bunch more. We don't have a [Microsoft-Stack] tag or [Front-End-Stack] etc. as a category to make things easier, so we shouldn't have [Chemistry] for this reason either.

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  • From what I've gathered, the reason this burnination request was declined is because there are instances of programming problems which a chemist would be very familiar with, and tagging the question as [chemistry] is able to bring those people to those questions. Take, for example, this answer. Would the answerer have found that question if it wasn't in the [chemistry] tag? Possibly, but they would have needed to search specifically for that question. Commented Mar 8, 2017 at 14:34
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    Essentially, the assertion that "A chemistry expert is no more or less likely to be able to answer this as it is a programming question." is incorrect, because there may be common pitfalls in implementing the formula which they can't foresee, or they may be reinventing the wheel and should instead be using a library that does it for them. Both of those answers need domain knowledge. Commented Mar 8, 2017 at 14:43
  • 3 issues I see 1) If there are pitfalls in the person's chemistry methodology then it belongs on chemistrySX. If there are pitfalls in the actual programming implementation it should be independent of chemistry knowledge or you dilute the purpose of SO. 2) Chemistry is so broad that it's unlikely to significantly attract chemistry people that are able to identify those specific pitfalls unless they happen to be an expert in the exact field being implemented. 3) You can argue the same for most questions "How do I add 20% vat to my total in javascript?" if they were tagged [finance] or similar.
    – NibblyPig
    Commented Mar 9, 2017 at 10:03
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Subject-matter tags such as chemistry serve a useful purpose, which is to identify the programming problem with the subject. Yes, of course, chemistry is not inherently about programming in any way; neither are dozens of other subjects. If one is interested in a subject, and in programming, one can search here for questions which fall in the intersection. That is a valid, constructive use of SO; the presence of subject-matter tags is a tiny cost which gives us that substantial benefit. None of this is specific to chemistry. It applies equally well to other subject-matter tags.

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  • I will add [economics] to all my questions from now on, even the ones where I'm just trying to show a image in html. This will be so fun.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 15:35
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    "which gives us that substantial benefit" [citation needed]
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 15:36
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    @Braiam he is citing the immediately previous sentence (hence "'that' benefit"). The benefit is searchability by tags.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 16:45
  • @TylerH well, I have yet to see which programmer in their right mind will search for "chemistry", I don't do so for "economics" and I'm a bit of both. BTW, tags sole costumer are answerers, therefore the ones that should benefit of any tag are them. If a question doesn't make more likely to the answerer find the question (see my first sentence), what purpose would serve?
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 16:52
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    @Braiam Your BTW sentence is completely false. People looking for existing answers or for duplicates of a question they are about to ask also use tags. What makes you think tags are only for people who write answers?! Stack Overflow's purpose is not so that you can have questions to answer, it's so that programmers can come here and find or get the answer to their questions.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 17:08
  • @TylerH so, are you saying that the help center is a farce? "Tags are a means of connecting experts with questions they will be able to answer by sorting questions into specific, well-defined categories."
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 18:30
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    @Braiam No, I'm saying that your cherry picking is quite harmful to the discussion. Let me quote some from that page, too: "A tag is a word or phrase that describes the topic of the question", and "Tags can also be used to help you identify questions that are interesting or relevant to you."
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 19:59
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    @Braiam Importantly, that page is about Asking a Question, so verbiage on the subject of tags will be in the context of asking and answering. Tags are also mentioned in stackoverflow.com/help/searching and stackoverflow.com/help/interesting-topics as well as the Tour page: "Tags make it easy to find interesting questions. All questions are tagged with their subject areas. [...] Click any tag to see a list of questions with that tag, or go to the tag list to browse for topics that interest you." Perhaps you should read more of the Help Center than just one section...
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:01
  • @TylerH and how that invalidates my argument? I'm quoting the "What are tags, and how should I use them?" which I believe it describes in the most simple terms the purpose of them. Also, your quotes doesn't support your argument more than it does mine, ie "help you identify questions that are interesting or relevant to you", why would you find questions interesting or relevant if it's for the ultimate purpose of answering them?
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:03
  • @TylerH in other words, while you can use tags for the task you describe, that's not the main purpose: helping people find the questions they are able to answer.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:04
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    @Braiam Sorry, the main purpose of tags is searchability without any focus on who is doing the searching. But if there were a focus on it, it would be focused on the largest demographic of users (viewers, or 2nd largest: askers), not the smallest (answerers).
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:05
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    @Braiam It invalidates your argument because you are taking one sentence out of a specific context and not only interpreting it closed-mindedly (it's not a zero-sum game like you suggest), but also applying it to all contexts, which is ridiculous. As for why someone would want to find questions, many people like to learn things, or read interesting material. Have you never looked at the views of a question before? They usually outnumber the answers by several factors. If what you say were true, there would be nearly as many answers as views on a question, every time.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 20:06
  • @Braiam, your comments here all seem to support the value of [chemistry] as a tag.
    – fixer1234
    Commented Sep 21, 2018 at 18:01
  • @fixer1234 [citation-needed]. BTW, the first comment was sarcasm.
    – Braiam
    Commented Sep 21, 2018 at 18:06
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I'm having problems plotting aggregated macroeconomics data in R with zoo objects and plot, should I add a tag? No. It has nothing to do with the problem at hand: coercing R to do what I want.

The structure of the data or what it represents is irrelevant for the problem at hand. The same with , the fact that what I'm manipulating is related to the science, doesn't make my problem any different.

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    As I commented previously, this misses the distinction between a question that is inherently about a problem domain (e.g. "how do I parse a chemical formula?") and a question where the asker incidentally happens to be working in a problem domain (e.g. "how do I make my chemistry website pink?"). That I can't think of any programming problems that inherently involve economics suggests that we shouldn't have an economics tag, but I've already listed several programming problems that inherently involve chemistry and are only of relevance to chemists.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 18:15
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    @MarkAmery and as said previously: we are programmers! What you use the code for is irrelevant.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 18:20
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    I have no idea what you mean by that. Is a question about how to parse a URL into its components "irrelevant" to the topic of URLs? If not, how is a question about how to parse a chemical formula "irrelevant" to the topic of chemistry? Or are you saying that the purpose of the code is "irrelevant" to something else that I'm not seeing, rather than "irrelevant" to the tag? I really don't know what you're trying to say.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 18:28
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    Particularly in the academic world, you'll find I think that it does help to have a domain in questions like plotting. In many academic disciplines there are certain common ways of doing things that might not be particularly relevant to programmers at large but which a programmer in that domain might know - and some of that knowledge might be assumed in the question, so a regular r user might not understand the nuance of the question while a chemist who also knows r might.
    – Joe
    Commented Mar 6, 2017 at 18:53
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    @MarkAmery As I explained on a comment on Machavity's answer, even the chemical-formula example doesn't seem compelling to me. There was a particular parsing error that could be easily expressed without requiring knowledge about chemistry; once the issue has been expressed in such a way that it's amenable to a programmatic solution, the higher-level problem domain is irrelevant. Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:20
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    @Joe yet, I have been able to get by without it. In fact, I prefer someone outside of my field to tell me what I'm doing wrong, since they have several times more expertise in their field (aka programming) than anyone on my field. Obviously, I wouldn't expect a programmer to tell me what I'm doing wrong in economics, because that isn't their field.
    – Braiam
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 0:40
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    @Joe I agree, but I'm not sure a tag is necessary to show that domain. Just mention it in the post. What are the numbers for domain-specific (or domain-relevant) questions in chemistry that could not be found by just searching with the chemistry keyword, vs the numbers for bad questions in the chemistry tag/questions that abuse the chemistry tag?
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 7, 2017 at 14:31

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