I believe that a user is attempting to stalk my activities on Stack Overflow. They had attempted a large downvoting effort, which was reversed, so instead, they are resorted to downvoting me once a day. What can I do to notify diamond moderators about this user who seems to be harassing me through targeted voting of my questions and answers, and/or has been doing so over a long period of time?
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41Fwiw the user involved has already been suspended.– animuson StaffModCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 0:52
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72Having to put up with someone harassing you on a site that you're actively participating on for years sounds like it really sucks.– user456814Commented Oct 18, 2015 at 1:39
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21Don't worry, you're not the only one who's taken issue with him for years.– BoltClock ModCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 4:36
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5Surely this could have just been resolved with a moderator flag? Did moderators not get involved when the harrassment first started?– halferCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 8:19
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8@halfer: Ever heard of repeat offenders?– BoltClock ModCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 9:43
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4@BoltClock: sure, of course - I am very supportive of it being resolved, and the OP has my genuine sympathy. I'm just expressing mild surprise that a very high rep user brought it to Meta, that's all.– halferCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 9:47
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3@halfer: See Cupcake's comment.– BoltClock ModCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 10:04
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28I know I'm being whiny, but IMO it's been egregious, literally for years, and I'm not the sole victim-there's a small group of us that are frustrated. I apologize for the whine. Consider it a class-action SO suit.– Dave NewtonCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 11:14
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6@Dave Newton: I'd call having to put up with things and people you shouldn't have to anything but petty or juvenile.– BoltClock ModCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 11:33
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6@enki.dev Historical precedence based on when disagreements start and the next few days of rep changes. It's possible I'm incorrect, but I'd be surprised if I was this time. My rep changes slowly, but fairly predictably over time: changes to that pattern, coupled with several recent incidents, leads me to believe it's the same user, yet again.– Dave NewtonCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 18:47
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5@halfer No offense taken-and I am whining! Honestly, it was really just venting, because it's been going on for so long, and it's one of the reasons I dread answering questions in a tag I should be answering questions in :/ The responses here have been better than my whine deserved.– Dave NewtonCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 23:10
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4I find this very interesting, he's just downvoting 1 answer or so every day and its been going on for years? Doesn't that come to 1k of your rep.. compared to the 107k you have.. @JohnnyBones just posted the same thing I was headed too - Is there more to the harassment than just voting?– DoubleDoubleCommented Oct 19, 2015 at 19:27
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4Several times I've started bounties, and there were bounty hunters with one line answers that had nothing in common with the question. Those answers magically got 2 upvotes, and my rep was automatically stolen. I was so angry that I've thought to stalk these guys downvoting one answer a day, but I was sure StackOverflow had scripts for such behaviour too. You guys have totally saved my day.– polkovnikov.phCommented Oct 19, 2015 at 21:31
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9This whole thread feels as though everyone knows/should know who this specific user is/was. Any clues for us who don't?– KealeCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 9:11
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12Just as much as we don't need stalkers and harassers @Keale, we don't need lynch mobs. Those who can handle this know. And that's enough.– BartCommented Oct 20, 2015 at 10:10
3 Answers
The standard procedure for dealing with serial downvoting is described here. For bursts of targeted votes, the system will invalidate them automatically. If the voting is particularly egregious or continues past that point, you can raise a flag about it and moderators will look into it further.
We can only see larger patterns, though, and cannot see individual votes. Stack Exchange employees need to be called in to investigate and invalidate these votes, and their time is very limited. We tend to call them in only in the worst or most obvious cases.
For someone like you, this situation is more complicated. In the case of long-time users who have contributed lots of posts, you will have many people voting more than once on your posts (up or down) just by pure chance. Separating malicious intent from voting based on quality can be harder in this circumstance.
I should say that I suspended one user who had targeted you and other users with serial downvotes yesterday, and they won't be bothering you with those. I've also requested that Stack Exchange employees look into all these votes and invalidate the ones that the script missed. This may take a bit, though, since most of the SE folks are returning from a conference.
I should also note that the account I suspended is not the person I know you are referring to. There may be a connection between the two, but I don't have good enough evidence to act on that yet.
We're well aware of the arguments you have had with the person you are referring to, but I'm not sure that "stalking" is the right term here. Maybe "feud", as I see that in terms of downvotes you've given as good as you've gotten. Again, we're looking into it, but it can sometimes be difficult to see which side is in the wrong for long-running arguments like this. This might take a little bit to sort out.
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1If you have access to "deleted" comments spanning back lo these years IMO it's pretty clear. If course, I'm biased. I did finally start to match his voting behavior (and the literature shows it's a winning strategy ;) Sort of. It's unusual for my rep to take a sustained drain like this, though, AFAICT. Commented Oct 18, 2015 at 18:50
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I'm surprised I have another attacker, though, in general I've not had any major incidents with anybody else I'm aware of :( Commented Oct 18, 2015 at 18:52
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3@DaveNewton: I'm being stalked too. This time it is not the person you are referring to, because, 1) if you take a look at his rep, he is being stalked too (!), and 2) he knows exactly how the reversal script works, while this new troll doesn't: he/she started serial downvoting, then after the script, he/she started serial downvoting slower. NOTE: I've checked all the delete-votes, close-votes, "bad" comments left by me up to the 10 days BEFORE the stalk began and... found nothing. This idiot has jumped out of nowhere, maybe from months ago. I'm very curious to know who he is. Stay tuned. Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 8:25
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2@AndreaLigios We must be special. Who knew that tag could be so dangerous! Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 11:14
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1@AleksandrM: if you are suggesting that it could effectively be the same user, that has created and grown up another account (or is just using a friend's account), and that downvoted us AND himself just to mislead us, by intentionally triggering the reversal script the first time as a diversion, well... it's embarassing but I admit I've thought it at first :D , at least as a possibility. I just refuse to think that a professor, who has lived half of a century, can go this far in a flame-war that the others aren't even playing. But who knows, people is crazy, it may be. I hope not, though Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 12:07
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2@AndreaLigios I think that happened long enough ago, but... as we know, grudges are held onto tightly by some people. It's just annoying :( It sucked the joy out of the S2 tag. I just can't wrap my head around that kind of behavior no matter who it is. I admit I'm over-sensitive, but it just ruins SO for me some days. Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 13:59
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1@Andrea Ligios: We'd rather not talk publicly about it. No need to add fuel to the fire by linking to posts and profiles.– BoltClock ModCommented Oct 19, 2015 at 15:48
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1Ok @BoltClock, I'll remove the link. IF BTW the whole thing will end in that direction... it will be very disappointing. It's years now... an user over 20k stalking other users for years. Bleah Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 15:50
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IF the latter hypothesized case is true, then I could have found the culprit (link removed). I edited the meta question (this seems to pisses him off) while you last-edited the original question by removing the tags he was seeking. Not sure why AleksandrM is not targeted too, but they've had a lot less issues than him with me and you. BradLarson: I know you can't tell us who you suspended, but... can you tell us if he registered later than October, 2 ? (it could have been created earlier, though) Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 15:50
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1@AndreaLigios - I'll point out that there is a huge backlog of vote review requests that SE employees are working through, which piled up during their all-hands meeting and from a series of voting rings we had broken down before that. All of that has to be done by hand by an SE employee and is very time-consuming. It may take them a bit to work through all of this, which is why I said this will take a while to sort out. The overall problem has been dealt with, and you won't see additional targeted votes going forward.– Brad Larson ModCommented Oct 27, 2015 at 16:53
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1@DaveNewton I don't understand it too :| It's quite creepy to see thousands of edits per day, but you know, I'm a dreamer :P and I hope this is just something good (the undownvoting seems to be the goal, while the annoying editing are just a necessary condition for it). His downvote count was near 6000 last time I checked, now is 3700, and counting... stay tuned :D Commented Mar 23, 2016 at 15:21
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1@AndreaLigios Must have a lot of extra time on his hands. Commented Mar 23, 2016 at 15:23
I had someone tell me an interesting approach to remedying behavior such as this a while back, and since then I've had the chance to test this out successfully.
Upvote, and leave a constructive comment on one or more of the offender's posts.
I know this seems counter-intuitive, but it does work. In my case, after doing this, the user upvoted and left a constructive comment on one of my posts, and I haven't had a downvote since.
This may not work in all situations, but it is worth a try. Remember that we are all humans, and all capable of feeling guilty about our actions.
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4Wow, you need general's tactics to broker a truce. SO is a battlefield! Genius solution in any case. Alas if it becomes a known trick, it probably loses its effectiveness soon enough.– GimbyCommented Dec 16, 2015 at 10:07
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1+1 Left a constuctive comment :) ..... Don't mean you are the offender! Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 8:38
It seems to be a common problem here... - my solution? Ignore and flag the guy!
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9By the word "ignoring" I mean "don't feed the troll" (intentionally with a "t") and I actually suggested a solution: FLAG the guy!– ArcsnCommented Oct 18, 2015 at 10:09
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13Normally I'd agree (and for me, at least, it hasn't been very common at all). We can't flag people, only posts, which I've done a few times (I think). This has been an extreme case of passive-aggressive abuse, more or less since I've been active on the site. Commented Oct 18, 2015 at 12:02
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2Slightly amusing that you got downvoted, given the question :D Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 19:44
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6What would be more amusing would be if it led to years of hostile comments (occasionally in Russian) and tit-for-tat retribution (although in my case, it's "I didn't think you addressed the question and here's why" vs "I HAS A DOWNVOTE U NOW". That's why it's frustrating. Commented Oct 19, 2015 at 20:02
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