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I'm working on that last queue that we'll be adding to /review as part of the quality project, and it's arguably the most interesting piece of the puzzle.

It's a queue where folks that are interested in helping (mostly) new users can go to work on questions that the community has deemed likely to be valuable, but in need of some improvement before they can become lasting artifacts on the site. These are the questions that were sorted as 'should be improved' from the new triage queue.

The scope of what you can do in this new queue still hasn't settled, but editing is going to be a major part of it. One of the best ways you can help someone new to the site that asks what could be an interesting question is to edit it for them, and let them know why you changed what you did in the summary. This new queue will very strongly suggest substantive edits, since the questions that land in it have been marked by multiple users as needing some help.

Speaking to that, I'd like to get some feedback from anyone that has spent time editing. Once you're in the editor, what can cause you to abandon your edit? From experience, and the limited reasons I can infer, the following things can cause it:

  1. Turns out, you just don't have enough time.
  2. There's not enough information given - you can't really improve it without a missing piece, but you didn't realize it was missing when you started.
  3. You had a thought on how you were going to edit when you clicked the button, but it escaped you once the editor loaded. You just can't make sense of it after all.
  4. As you started cleaning things up, you realize it's a duplicate, and went to find the duplicate instead.
  5. You just lose enthusiasm somehow. Maybe it was more work than you thought it would be. Maybe it turned out to not be that great of a question after all; the cost-to-reward ratio just didn't pan out.

Editing can be funny that way, you often don't know what you've bitten off until you've chewed it for a bit.

Even if you closely identify with one of the reasons I've listed, I'd like to hear from you. Any narrative you care to share will help lend insight into (1) the selection process for what gets shown to you first when you enter the queue and (2) ways that the system can possibly alleviate some of the common pains that editors feel.

Your responses will help us put together an interface for the queue that gets out of your way as you help gems 'in the rough' take on a shine, while making sure the tools we provide you for doing that are extremely optimized for your time.

This post is part of the Stack Exchange quality project (More on MSO | More on MSE)

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    Or I spend a long time on an edit that makes a lot of changes, and then the OP edits the question substantially and I don't want to spend all that time making the changes again. Sort of a mix between 1 and 5 on your list.
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 16:46
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    I agree that the biggest problem is the concurrent edit. However, if a question has been through the triage queue and into a second review/editing queue, then the initial hubbub has long since died down. Of course, there'll be some contention in the new 'improve queue', especially to start with, and I think that you'll need to consider (carefully!) how to handle that. It would be even more frustrating to spend time improving an answer only to have the effort ignored. OTOH, you don't want someone to lock it indefinitely. You need some timely way of telling when they've abandoned an edit. Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 16:51
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    100% concurent edits. Well, before I had character limit, it was sometimes also the fact that the edit turned out to be too minor. Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 19:00
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    All of your suggestions, except 3. Quite often 5, unfortunately.
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 19:11
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    @JonathanLeffler, I’m not sure if any monitoring via JS would work OK for me. I use It’s All Text! Firefox addon to be able to edit using Vim. Cut & paste into one’s favorite editor is essentially equivalent. Don’t know how common such a behavior is, maybe I’ll have to cope with a little discomfort.
    – Palec
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 21:13
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    @JonathanLeffler There will be some sort of mutual exclusion from within the queue itself - no two people would be shown the same question to work on. Feedback here also indicates that it's pretty important to block 'outside' noise as well, or folks happening upon posts in the queue opportunistically from outside of the queue. I don't think that will be common, but I am going to account for it, even if to say 'edits from within the improvement queue always win' if there's contention.
    – user50049
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 0:47
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    Lock for the question I am editing? Finally! Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 6:12
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    Sometimes I plan to edit the question, but after I've opened the editor, I realize that I can fix the question, but because of a complete lack of effort, I don't feel like he "deserves" to be helped. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 8:44
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    What I hate most: Community♦ reviewed this so_me date at ti:me: Reject
    – DroidDev
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 10:47
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    My boss walking past...
    – Sobrique
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:19
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    Usually because I almost finish the edit and then realise that I read the question wrong in the first place.
    – cmannett85
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:31
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    6) I want to see what markup was used to achieve certain output. Never intended to make an edit, but had to open the editor to see
    – Izkata
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:55
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    When I realize I have not had enough coffee yet.
    – Eric J.
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 17:44
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    5. Sometimes I'm just too lazy to even fini
    – Compass
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 18:39
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    I realize I'm just polishing a turd. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 21:08

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I'll abandon an edit when I realize that a post isn't worth editing.

I'll often start editing a post as soon as I see that it has an error (poor formatting, excess/intros, etc.), but as I'm editing, I realize that there's either an overwhelming amount of problems, or the question is just bad/should be closed.

No point in polishing a turd...

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    ... and then quickly move to nominating to close.
    – tripleee
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 10:42
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    Hmm, likewise. Much like how I sometimes start to answer, but then realise the question is incomplete.
    – Sobrique
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:19
  • hopefully such questions will have been pruned out as unsalvageable by the triage queue Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 5:19
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The most common reason for me to abandon an edit: someone else edited the same question faster than me, and fixed what I wanted to fix.

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    Was going to post this too, so will just add that "and fixed what I wanted to fix" isn't always true: sometimes the faster editor changed different parts of the post, and I don't have time to start merging the edits, thus just leaving it all behind. :/ Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 15:42
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    Wishlist: Git-style edit merge feature when there are two conflicting edits and both are useful (and edit different parts).
    – matsjoyce
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 15:51
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    @matsjoyce Even better: real-time collaborative editing fields.
    – Bergi
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 17:39
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    @Bergi how would you revision that?
    – Cole Tobin
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 23:29
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    @ColeJohnson: Like crazy :-) No idea, probably some kind of multiple editors for the revision entry (like we have multiple voters for a close decision, and with percentages like community wiki posts).
    – Bergi
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 23:39
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    @ColeJohnson follow Google Drive's style of saying multiple people worked on the same revision
    – andrewb
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 2:05
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    Yep, I had the same first thoughts as answerer and commenters. I clean up formatting and typos, click to save and can't save, post has been edited by OP/someone else even though my and their edits would merge beautifully. Either git-style merging or Google Docs style I see my fellow editors cursor do their thing would be wonderful :)
    – asontu
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 9:43
  • Yes, this. Outside of this scenario, which is a very specific use-case in Stack Overflow some wiki sites that are devoted to factual advice, the commonest reason for a user to abandon an interaction is repeated UI failures on the web page. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 19:12
  • Damm sonic.
    – Malavos
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 19:48
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I'll abandon an edit when I've started taking the time to improve it and I get the message that someone else has edited it and mine will only be accepted, if it is greater than theirs. Often times, I'll cancel my edit, see they didn't correct everything, but I will stop editing because I might continue to bump into other edits.

Basically, edit conflicts are the main reason why I'll abandon an edit.

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    This. Lack of some sort of a locking system is my biggest turn-off from editing as well - especially when a lot of time and thought would be needed.
    – Pekka
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 16:46
  • It would be very nice if there were a way to merge edits similar to branch merging in git.
    – Travis J
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 20:09
  • It would be nice to supersede/ignore/override pending revisions with an edit of your own if you already have 2000+ rep, or if you have a gold badge for revisions, or if you have a gold badge for reviewing suggested edits, or... etc.
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 20:42
  • @TylerH Don't 2000 rep users already have the option to overwrite pending sub-2000 rep users' edits with their own? I've seen it before in my rejected edits.
    – Celeo
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 22:39
  • @Celeo After thinking about it a bit, I think the answer is technically "yes", but I'm not entirely sure. If I "improve" someone else's edit before me (e.g. I click "edit" and someone else's suggested edit pops up in a review queue modal), does that auto-approve the edit unilaterally? Or does my improvement count as one "approve" vote and then the other reviews will then vote to approve/reject my new, improved edit?
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 15:39
  • @TylerH It approves unilaterally. The thinking is that, if you're putting in the effort to make your own edit, then you're looking at things closely enough to be able to decide if it's a good edit. Commented Feb 4, 2015 at 0:50
84

Edit is for a simple typo but the dreaded

Edits must be at least 6 characters; is there something else to improve in this post?

appears.

Lost count of the number of posts I've seen with a single eye catching typo gone unfixed for years because no other changes are required.

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    Right after the typo, you could add (FTFY), that gets you to the required number of characters...
    – pgr
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 20:08
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    Add some extra spaces somewhere. :)
    – reirab
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 23:45
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    I understand this isn't exactly a "solution," but once you've made it to 2000 reputation, you can make any kind of edit you'd like. There's no use in giving you 2 rep for fixing one character, and I'm assuming that this queue will only be open to those with editing privileges, as it would be a bit silly to ask people to edit posts from one queue and then send them over to another queue for approval.
    – AstroCB
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 0:09
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    @pgr: You jest, but someone out there is going to do exactly that, and do it unironically.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 6:24
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    @AstroCB, but I'm not editing to get 2 points (and really, what does that matter to SO anyway? It's not like it's coming out of a bank account or something). I'm editing to fix a glaring error in post and improve the quality of the site. The length of characters shouldn't make any difference. However, if that 2 points is really that big of a deal, then why not remove the editing limit, but just stipulate that any edit under 10 characters doesn't get any points? That way, the site improves, but they don't have to worry about giving away any of their precious 2 points for a small edit.
    – ouflak
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 7:50
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    "How to write an infinite loop in C?" Ans: while(). --> Edit it to while(1); --> Edit gets rejected --> so edit it to while(1); // Adding this utterly useless comment for after all the tall tales that SO tells about being a clutter-free Q&A site, it won't let me fix a simple problem without adding this clutter. That should do.
    – Masked Man
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 8:17
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    This is a big one for me, and the nonsense "just edit something else" argument... I long for the day where I have 2K and don't have to deal with it anymore. Maybe the "Must contain 6 characters" limit could be elevated for 500 or 1K users? Keeping the review requirement until 2K.
    – asontu
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 9:55
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    I often came across great posts where I had no idea what I could improve. Just that there was one typo: E.g. a variable which was called initialise one time and initialize a second time in a source code example. I don't want to know how much time I've spent on finding these kind of errors when copy-and-pasting them. And when I wanted to save others from having the same problem, I just couldn't. This bothered me for the next couple of minutes until I went on. This is by far one of the most annoying restrictions of SO.
    – mozzbozz
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:34
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    This is especially infuriating after fixing a broken link that only needs a few characters to fix, e.g., because a site's structure changed.
    – musiKk
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54
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    @ouflak Agreed; I'm just giving what the standard SE response is to these sorts of complaints.
    – AstroCB
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:42
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    @funkwurm, I know how you feel. I'd like to think I'm 400 something points away from caring. But I consider myself a technical editor of professional level. I'm made to wonder if the people who put this restriction in place have really had to edit anything at all where clarity was of the upmost vital importance and even the most subtle of changes/grammatical corrections could make all the difference technically, legally, and compliance-wise. Because of my nature and experience, this is going to bug me for a long time I think.
    – ouflak
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:29
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    Maybe having one-character edits not be attributed (eg: name shown under the answer) would be a good answer to that
    – Dorian
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 15:07
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    @Dorian hah, is that the reason it won't let me do that? :P I will happily not get credit/rep for a 2 character edit. I edit because it makes my eye twitch, not for some personal gain.
    – asontu
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 15:35
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    So this meta-SO answer explains why the limit exists in the first place. Ok, what if < 6 char edits from 1K users don't need reviewing? Or get reviewed by the asker? What if < 6 char edits don't bump the question to the front-page? Could the system be smart enough to recognize that 4 spaces to get the last line of code also into the code-block can't possibly do harm to the question? Some combination of the above?
    – asontu
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 15:52
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    @TylerH they don't get the minimum length restriction anyway do they? Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 22:23
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Beyond the obvious situation where another edit has been made while I was attempting improvement on the post (and my own efforts are likely to be discarded), the two primary reasons for abandoning an edit would seem to be:

  1. While I initially thought I could contribute some legibility to the post, once involved in the actual edit process I come to realize that the post is FUBAR. A comprehensive edit would demand a complete rewrite and that should be the OP's responsibility. Abandon edit, down-vote and leave comment.
  2. When terminology is just plain wrong or used in the wrong context, edits to make content relevant start creeping up on the Attempts to reply category. I might think I know what the OP was trying to express with the misuse of industry 'buzz-words' but it isn't my place to start changing the overall flavour of the question. At some point, a grey area turns into crossing the line and I abandon the edit.
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I'll abandon an edit when the OP has huge formatting problems in their question, but I start hitting edit conflicts because they are editing their question every few seconds (and still ignoring the awful formatting).

Sometimes it's not worth it to wait until they settle down, so it's a mix of #1 and #5.

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    ".. and still ignoring the awful formatting .." Had that yesterday. After the fourth-or-so I felt like this.
    – Jongware
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 16:45
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I'm a big fan of editing.

Like, a huge fan.

I think it's amazing what community collaboration can do in a place like this, where the people who are answering the questions actually have the ability to make the question better. So the fact that we'll have an entire queue essentially dedicated to editing is great.

Well, except for one thing. The key part of what I just said is this:

...the people who are answering the questions actually have the ability to make the question better.

The most common way for people to edit something is to come across on their own while roaming the site. So, if they're already at the post, they likely know something about the topic and are able to improve the question or answer to make it clearer to others who don't.

When you give people posts to edit in a queue, you're asking them to edit something that they wouldn't have necessarily come across on their own, so it's likely to be something that they're not familiar about.

For most cases, this is fine; fixing common grammatical errors and making posts readable is typically a fairly mundane process (in fact, that's why I created the linked project above in the first place). However, I've found that the biggest thing that stops me from making in-depth edits is not understanding entirely what the question is about.

For that reason, I think it would be a good idea to allow tag filtering in the same way it is allowed for the close/reopen queues.

(I'm also curious as to how audits will be implemented in this queue - what will our "positive" and "negative" review options be? If the post is fine, why would it be there in the first place?)

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  • If memory serves, the idea is that posts remain in the queue until they get manually kicked out as being sufficiently edited. I.e., after somebody has edited them at least once. This might happen immediately after a reviewer hits them, but the OP might get to it first, or some unrelated editor, or the first editor might not be sure it's good enough yet, or …. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 0:05
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    the people who are answering the questions actually have the ability to make the question better -- The people who are answering the questions should be spending their time answering questions, not fixing them.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 0:39
  • @RobertHarvey Why can't they do both?
    – AstroCB
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 0:58
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    They can, but everyone has a busy life, and everyone's time is limited. Every minute spent fixing questions is one less minute that can be used to actually answer questions. Our main purpose here is to provide answers, not to be copy editors.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 1:00
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    Interesting. I often have the exact opposite experience: I find that often (though certainly not always) the biggest thing making me do in-depth edits is because I did not understand entirely what the question was about.
    – Jeroen
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 8:23
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    However, I've found that the biggest thing that stops me from making in-depth edits is not understanding entirely what the question is about. Sounds like things that should be left untouched. If you start messing with the core contents of the question, there's a fat chance you'll make radical changes which alters the very meaning of the question.
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:46
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    @Lundin Right, which is why I think it's important to be able to tag filter the queue.
    – AstroCB
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:47
  • Added a bug request to your botscript github.com/AstroCB/Stack-Exchange-Editor-Toolkit/issues/45
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 20:48
  • @AstroCB Can you please include some instructions in the README.md file, how to install / use this script? Not everyone's a web developer/programmer/whatever.
    – fancyPants
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 16:48
  • @fancyPants I'll add some instructions; thanks.
    – AstroCB
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 17:09
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    Oh, I'm thanking you. It seems you've done a good job with this script.
    – fancyPants
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 17:38
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I have abandoned edits where I began to fix several simple formatting + spelling + wording issues but then realised that the poor original wording meant I did not understand the question. I then thought that any changes I made to the unclear part of the question were as likely to hide the real question rather than revealing it. This may be what you meant by item 2 (ie There's not enough information given - you can't really improve it without a missing piece, but you didn't realize it was missing when you started) in the question.

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    I've had this happen quite a few times as well. I think I know what the individual is trying to say, then I get through the edit and think... "maybe that wasn't what they were trying to say at all..." Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 15:44
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I don't usually abandon edits. I decide ahead of time whether I'm going to edit a post or not.

On a number of occasions, the community has stated that, if you're going to edit a post, then you should fix all of the problems that you find. When I edit, I generally do so when I see only one, maybe two problems that are easily fixable. If a post is riddled with problems, I don't edit it; I ask the OP to fix it themselves. Most of the time, they won't.

I'm of the opinion that the experts are here to answer people's questions, not serve as proofreaders or copy editors. And no, the answer is not to just embrace bad punctuation and spelling, either.

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  • Following that reasoning, shouldn't closing and the roomba both have more of a bite? Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 1:59
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    "the community has stated that, if you're going to edit a post, then you should fix all of the problems that you find" - This is a true statement (the community does say this), and I agree with the sentiment. However, it seems that the community doesn't practice what it preaches (though those may be two disparate groups). Some recent changes (e.g. removal of "too minor") suggest that any improving edit is welcome. But I agree that if fixing an entire post (and it does feel dirty to me not to do so) seems like too Herculean of a task I won't bother. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:09
  • I don't think that should become common practise in the triage. You can make small edits, the community helps the OP to fix their question together - incrementally. The post just stays in the review queue until it is acceptable.
    – Bergi
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:46
  • @davidism: Someone else getting an edit in before I'm done. It's one of the reasons I don't engage in heroic edits anymore, and the main reason why I don't typically abandon edits (because I've decided first whether to edit or not).
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 16:30
  • If a post is riddled with problems, I don't edit it - I agree with this 99% of the time. There is the rare exception where the problems the post is riddled with are from inexperience with either the interface or the english language but the technical aspects are all there intact.
    – Travis J
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 20:07
  • I will often retag problematic questions (particularly questions containing code but without a language tag) in the hope an appropriate expert will have enough context to fix the post. But otherwise, I won't correct grammar/etc. on posts with technical issues. Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 0:16
  • The way I see this queue working is, you'll see a pack of people that really enjoy editing, while occasionally asking or answering something working on questions so that they're optimized for those who do come here specifically to answer and only answer. This is a queue for questions that would have been pretty good, had their authors been able to make them that way, often after giving it their best shot. These are questions not likely to be closed, not likely to get many answers, but very likely to stick around - might as well polish 'em and make them better.
    – user50049
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 8:50
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One of the things that gets me are people who don't format their code.

It drives me up the wall to see:

#include 'std_lib_facilities.h'

int main() {

//this is supposed to be some comment

cout << 'Hello World!\n'; return 0;

}

or even worse:

NSOperationQueue *myqueue=[[NSOperationQueue alloc] init]; NSBlockOperation *downloadOperation = [NSBlockOperation blockOperationWithBlock:^{ [cell.actindi startAnimating]; image=[UIImage imageWithData:[NSData dataWithContentsOfURL:[NSURL URLWithString:[frontimage objectAtIndex:0]]]];


All I want to do is add some spaces or accent marks, but only doing that doesn't always meet the minimum character requirement (I guess whitespace doesn't count?).

At that point I usually:

  1. Search for any possible grammatical and/or punctuation errors (makes me feel like a cheater changing all of the "it is" to "it's" 20 times just to get those characters in there).
  2. Add a comment with a link to the markdown help after abandoning the edit.
  3. Give up, deciding it's not worth my time (this just happened >5 minutes ago).

I'm not saying that there aren't ways around not meeting the minimum requirement, but it is a factor which leads me to abandon an edit.

A simple way of just formatting the code without having to meet the requirement would be dandy.

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    You can add <!-- language: lang-js --> comments (intended for when the autodetect gets it wrong) to the top of the code block to meet the requirement. Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 0:10
  • Yes @JeffreyBosboom. Yes I could...
    – user2535467
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 13:50
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    I am fighting the urge to "fix" the formatting your example, even though the point of the example is that it is bad. Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 17:02
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Not sure if this is relevant to what you're doing, but for completeness: sometimes I will start an edit for a post just in order to copy (or perhaps just look at) some of the markdown. On these occasions, I never intended to actually edit the post, but from the site's point of view I've abandoned the edit.

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  • I remember looking for a 'view source' link before realizing editing would show me the markdown. Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 0:14
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I'll be honest...

I stopped getting rep for editing posts a long time ago.

Sometimes I'll start, realise its not worth it and I know I'm not going to get anything from it. So I remember the sunk cost fallacy, realise its all cost and no reward and quit.

I wouldn't mind a drop from +2 rep to +1 rep, but rep is basically a recognition of work, badges a recognition of alot of work. Its pavlovian, but I like seeing my rep rise, even if it is by 1.

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  • Would progress toward additional badges provide any additional incentive for you?
    – user50049
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 0:44
  • Honestly, no. I wouldn't mind the rep bump dropping from 2 to 1.
    – user764357
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 1:00
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    I've actually become more likely to edit posts since I stopped getting reputation for editing posts. On other sites were I do get rep, the post needs to have much more significant errors that I can correct before I'll bother submitting a suggested edit.
    – Ross Ridge
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 2:13
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    -1. One should not edit a post to get rep but to improve the post.
    – Jongware
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:42
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    This is the main problem of SO reputation model: that the rep is a mix of moderator skills and technical knowledge. Naively SO assumes that a great moderator must also have great technical knowledge, and vice versa. Which is of course just nonsense.
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:57
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    @Tim Post: I hope you're not actually going to implement any additional badges. We don't need someone writing scripts to farm edit badges and potentially messing things up big-time (in that particular case it was not to game anything, but add the game factor to that and it gets worse).
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 17:44
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    @Jongware And people should not answer questions for rep, but to help the asker. The whole economy of SO is built on rep, otherwise it wouldn't exist.
    – user764357
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 21:48
  • Sorry, but let's agree to disagree. I'm here to learn stuff -- and if I can answer a question, I do. If I can help keep the quality of the site high (or not too low), I do. If I earn some reputation, and through that, more privileges ... I can use them.
    – Jongware
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 21:52
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Today I simply wanted to add code highlighting to someones question, but it wasn't possible because I had to edit at least 6 characters.

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    After a while this restriction disappears, its just to stop people making insignificant edits for the +2.
    – user764357
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 1:04
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    Ok, but if this happens one time to me and don't know this, I don't try to make such changes anymore. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 5:24
  • @LegoStormtroopr : can you please define after a while? Is it a time or a reputation restriction?
    – A.L
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:18
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    @A.L: that can be found in the Help.
    – Jongware
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:43
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    @Jongware I knew that it disappears after 2000+ reputation, but I think after a while is ambiguous. It's only true if you earn points, maybe I'm misunderstanding after a while (from my understanding of English it's only related to time).
    – A.L
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:34
  • @A.L: You still need time to accumulate 2000 reputation though.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 17:42
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Lack of ability to bulk indent code snippets (i.e. indent multiple lines at a time) within the editor has caused me to not edit code samples with severe indentation issues.

Occasionally I'll be motivated enough to copy it out of the editor, apply the indentation changes quickly in my coding environment and paste it back into the editor, but usually I don't spend the time.

Update: Browser extensions / apps to make this easier do exist, as users have pointed out in the comments. I honestly hadn't looked too hard for extensions since SO is the only place I would normally be trying to do editing like this in a browser. I still think making this a built-in feature would still be an improvement.

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  • See the SE like I like it userscript browser plugin in order to add and remove tabs in the editor.
    – A.L
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:19
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    the ItsAllText browser extension is only a Ctrl-Alt-T away from your favourite editor, and updates the textarea in question automagically. I don't leave home without it. addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/its-all-text Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 12:39
  • Nice - thanks for the heads-up! I'll update my answer to reflect the fact that I'd prefer this to be a built-in feature. :-)
    – Jacinda
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:21
  • You can't just select the code and click the 'code block' button (the { } icon)? That's always worked for me. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're correcting? Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 0:12
  • Selecting the code and clicking the 'code block' button works if everything should be flat. However, sometimes the indentation in the original answer will be random or contains nested logic but isn't indented. In those cases, I sometimes want to to select multiple lines and do the equivalent of clicking tab two or three times.
    – Jacinda
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 1:55
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I check the OP profile and see he has asked many questions so far and none/few of the previous even dared to mark an answer as accepted.

This makes me think about a person just trying to get a fast answer without really caring about the quality of his contributions, so I prefer to keep the question "ugly" to push the OP to improve his behaviour in the community.

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I tend to start editing when the formatting of the question is so bad that I can't make heads or tails out of it. If, after some basic formatting, code blocks in particular, the question becomes clearer, then I proceed. If, on the other hand, things don't become any clearer, and I'm not even certain that the formatting I introduced was semantically correct, then I give up and abandon the edit, often downvoting and/or voting to close instead.

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I abandon edits when I need to refer to the OP's original post to confirm my edit is true to their intent, but can't because I'm far enough along such that my edit has substantially changed the wording.

This happens when editing posts by non-native English speakers. I'll extensively correct the grammar, but then need to review the exact phrasing in the OP to confirm I've not altered its meaning.

It would be nice to quickly view the original post without opening another browser window, etc.

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Sometimes I only go into editing mode because I think the question may be garbled due to formatting (newlines ignored because not in a code block, disappearing > < characters because of code not being in backticks). If I see that the problem is not due to one of these reasons, then I abandon the edit.

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The other kind of concurrent edit.

I don't mean the "you may only edit this post if your edit is more substantial" stoppage on submission; I mean having your edit go through and then seeing another one appear quickly after which reverts a bunch of your fixes.

Especially if the new edit is extremely minor or obnoxious (e.g. adding code formatting to random words). Doubly especially if the culprit was a suggested edit which was robo-approved. Triply especially if the new edit adds something important, so you can't just roll it back.

Obviously this won't cause abandonment of an in-progress edit, but when my carefully wrought edit disappears in a resurgence of bad grammar, my will to continue curating that post often goes with it.

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There's not enough information given - you can't really improve it without a missing piece, but you didn't realize it was missing when you started.

I like improving posts, just for the sake of doing so.

One way is to improve grammar on posts by non-native English speakers, but I've come across a few cases wherein I can fix most of the post, but have parts where

  • The author's intent is totally unclear.
  • I am concerned that my best interpretation would change an unclear and ambiguous text to something unambiguous but incorrect, usually in a language or technology I don't use.

and I drop the edit. Sometimes I still fix other parts of the post where I can interpret the author's intent. Other times I abandon the whole thing.

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Talking about answer edits.

It's rare, but it happens that I start editing only to discover that what I wanted to add/correct is not entirely correct or applicable to the question when I think about it more closely.

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    This suggests you are making edits that change the meaning of the post, and should not be made even if they are "entirely correct". Leave a comment instead.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 16:57
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    I'm talking about adding "important" information to make the answer better. A comment works, but has not much freedom in expressing yourself. I'm not talking about changing information in the answer.
    – Artjom B.
    Commented Feb 1, 2015 at 17:01
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I usually abandon an edit when I find that the question can't be answered after an edit (usually a clean-up).

Take this question for example; bad question all-round and contains multiple spelling & grammar errors. If these were to be fixed the question would still be bad and because of this there's no point in completing edits like this if the question is likely going to be removed anyway.

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Accidentally pressing Ctrl + Z (undo) in Firefox (it is close to Ctrl + X (cut)). Usually it does two undo's instead of the expected one, but I am never quite sure what it does, and thus I usually start over.

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I usually abandon edits when I try to fix a typo, but I can't find anything else of significance to change. Obviously this only happens on sites where I don't have enough rep to save it anyway.

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I've abandoned a few edits because I realized that the formatting, spelling, grammar and/or tags that I thought needed to be fixed didn't actually need to be fixed. Since starting to edit a post doesn't commit anything, I'm don't feel I need to be all that careful before clicking the edit button on a post.

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I've edited a post in the past - including uploading an image linked by OP without sufficient reputation to upload himself - where after submitting changes for review, the OP in the mean time has done an update (changing something largely unrelated to my changes), causing my changes to be lost.

After reincorporating my changes to the OP's updated edit, the same happened again, causing my changes to be lost a second time. At that time, I abandoned the edit.

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I'll abandon an edit in cases where I feel like my edit might render the edited post unrecognizable to the OP. This happens most frequently with posts from folks where it appears that English isn't their first language. I can often get the core of what they're asking from the broken English version, but in order to make it more comprehensible to native speakers, I would have to rewrite it to a point where I'm no longer confident that the OP would comprehend/recognize it as the same question. Since I was able to extract the core of the meaning from the broken English, I sometimes err on the side of just leaving it as is, rather than risk undermining the OP's understanding of their own question.

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Normally, if someone else edits it before me, I'll stop editting because I cannot see the changes without losing my work.

Two ideas that could be implemented:

  1. Allow us to save our progress on our edit, so we can see what someone else changed and include those changes in our edit.
  2. Let people manually (I don't think automaticly doing this will work) combine recent edits by two separate people by reading the edit summary and figuring out what's the best from both of them. The action of combining two edits would be considered approving both edits by default unless the reviewer specifies otherwise.
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    I'd go for git-style merging for edit conflicts!
    – dfeuer
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 3:54
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My reasons for abandoning an edit are one of three, ranked by order of commonness:

  1. I realize my edit won't provide much/enough value to publish
  2. Somebody edits out from under me
  3. I see a squirrel and forget to finish (IE I get sidetracked by other business)
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When I give up fighting the awful UX of my tablet computer. They are not designed for typing.

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    It doesn't really sound like a problem that SO can solve, does it?
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 13:59
  • Not easily, no. In theory a change to the SO UI could reduce the number of edits I abandon.
    – Raedwald
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:01
  • Or... just don't buy the hype of tablet computers. Turns out they are quite poorly adapted to the real world, outside the market hype.
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 14:04
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    +1 Selecting a large block of unformatted code on an Ipad and trying to format it as code is nearly impossible when it involves much scrolling. Similarly if the code is near the top the various popups for selected text actions end up obscuring the toolbar buttons. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 18:32
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    @Lundin where do you get the idea that the question is only asking for things that SO can solve? The question asks "what causes you to abandon an edit" and this is one cause. It's hardly insoluble anyway. Commented Feb 2, 2015 at 22:03
  • @MartinSmith I got that idea from common sense. Or are we doing some form of statistic research of reasons why people suddenly cease using their computers, which includes everything from nature calls to power outages?
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 7:17
  • @Lundin Reason number one given in the question is "Turns out, you just don't have enough time.". Clearly the focus of the question is research. Commented Feb 3, 2015 at 7:24

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