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I mostly agree with many of your pointsyou but not allI still have some disagreements.

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However, I do think that process can be approved by automatically publishing duplicates to the main site if nothing else happens to the question (e.g. the author doesn't edit/Re-Evaluate it) after some time (e.g. one week). These questions wouldn't need to be shown on the start page (they are already solved) but should still be publicly available and indexed by search engines so they can act as sign posts if needed.

One issue I see with that approach is that this could still result in "bad questions" being published resulting in downvotes affecting the OP's reputation. As this may be confusing, I think the notification when a question is marked as a duplicate (as well as the author UI when viewing their duplicate question) should provide information that it would be posted to the main site automatically for future readers but that they also have the ability to delete their questions if they want to (aside from the edit/Re-Evaluate option they generally have).

I agree with many of your points but not all.

However, I do think that process can be approved by automatically publishing duplicates to the main site if nothing else happens to the question (e.g. the author doesn't edit/Re-Evaluate it) after some time (e.g. one week). These questions wouldn't need to be shown on the start page (they are already solved) but should still be publicly available and indexed by search engines so they can act as sign posts if needed.

I mostly agree with you but I still have some disagreements.


However, I do think that process can be approved by automatically publishing duplicates to the main site if nothing else happens to the question (e.g. the author doesn't edit/Re-Evaluate it) after some time (e.g. one week). These questions wouldn't need to be shown on the start page (they are already solved) but should still be publicly available and indexed by search engines so they can act as sign posts if needed.

One issue I see with that approach is that this could still result in "bad questions" being published resulting in downvotes affecting the OP's reputation. As this may be confusing, I think the notification when a question is marked as a duplicate (as well as the author UI when viewing their duplicate question) should provide information that it would be posted to the main site automatically for future readers but that they also have the ability to delete their questions if they want to (aside from the edit/Re-Evaluate option they generally have).

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I agree with many of your points but not all.

Not every question can be rewritten and reviewers shouldn't force that

If a question isn't about programming at all (e.g. it's about installing Windows or how to treat pets), there is no point in having the author rewrite that question unless the author wants to (e.g. if a question is originally about configuring Docker in non-programming context but the author is able to rewrite it to be about doing the same with programmatically (because that's what they actually need) or similar).

but removing close reasons might still be a good idea

The off-topic option has also been questioned during the beta test (the link is restricted to beta reviewers) with the suggestion of replacing it with "Require Major Changes". This discussion also came up a few times in the Staging Ground Discussion/Support chatroom. I agree with that idea for the following reasons (there's actually more than that to that idea):

  • People commonly use the "off-topic" option for questions that need clarification or similar.
  • Removing the off-topic simplifies the reviewer workflow as there is one less option (we could also get rid of "Conditionally approve pending Minor Edits" on the way) to work with and we don't have to deal with edge cases like a question being both off-topic and a duplicate if the reviewers disagree.
  • At the end, off-topic is practically just another form of "Requires Major Changes" but with
    • a different UI
    • more work (requiring two reviewers)
    • conflicts with duplicate (see above)
    • cannot be applied again by the same people (If a post is in off-topic and gets moved to "Requires Major Changes", the same reviewers cannot use the "off-topic" (or "duplicate") option again)
  • Comments allow explaining why the question is not ok (in its current form) in a more precise way than it is possible with closing

Success rates

It was literally spelled out in the introduction of staging ground that we wanted to make success rates of questions that came through the staging ground higher, no matter the cost.

I wouldn't call success rates the main goal. Instead, I think the Staging Ground should help askers improve their questions (by telling them how to change it) without ending up in a "closed" state where they have no idea what they should change/how to write a better question (which is a problem on the main site and in the Staging Ground, the authors generally have the ability to edit their posts and submit them for Re-Evaluation). The Staging Ground educates askers and improves questions which should lead to more successful questions. Ideally, askers see what is expected from them and are able to write better questions on their own in the future. I don't think improving success rates "no matter the cost" was ever the goal of the Staging Ground.

Duplicates

I think that reviewers should look for duplicates. Look for duplicates if you can.

However, I do think that process can be approved by automatically publishing duplicates to the main site if nothing else happens to the question (e.g. the author doesn't edit/Re-Evaluate it) after some time (e.g. one week). These questions wouldn't need to be shown on the start page (they are already solved) but should still be publicly available and indexed by search engines so they can act as sign posts if needed.

I agree with many of your points but not all.

Not every question can be rewritten and reviewers shouldn't force that

If a question isn't about programming at all (e.g. it's about installing Windows or how to treat pets), there is no point in having the author rewrite that question unless the author wants to (e.g. if a question is originally about configuring Docker in non-programming context but the author is able to rewrite it to be about doing the same with programmatically (because that's what they actually need) or similar).

but removing close reasons might still be a good idea

The off-topic option has also been questioned during the beta test (the link is restricted to beta reviewers) with the suggestion of replacing it with "Require Major Changes". This discussion also came up a few times in the Staging Ground Discussion/Support chatroom. I agree with that idea for the following reasons (there's actually more than that to that idea):

  • People commonly use the "off-topic" option for questions that need clarification or similar.
  • Removing the off-topic simplifies the reviewer workflow as there is one less option (we could also get rid of "Conditionally approve pending Minor Edits" on the way) to work with and we don't have to deal with edge cases like a question being both off-topic and a duplicate if the reviewers disagree.
  • At the end, off-topic is practically just another form of "Requires Major Changes" but with
    • a different UI
    • more work (requiring two reviewers)
    • conflicts with duplicate (see above)
    • cannot be applied again by the same people (If a post is in off-topic and gets moved to "Requires Major Changes", the same reviewers cannot use the "off-topic" (or "duplicate") option again)
  • Comments allow explaining why the question is not ok (in its current form) in a more precise way than it is possible with closing

Success rates

It was literally spelled out in the introduction of staging ground that we wanted to make success rates of questions that came through the staging ground higher, no matter the cost.

I wouldn't call success rates the main goal. Instead, I think the Staging Ground should help askers improve their questions (by telling them how to change it) without ending up in a "closed" state where they have no idea what they should change/how to write a better question (which is a problem on the main site and in the Staging Ground, the authors generally have the ability to edit their posts and submit them for Re-Evaluation). The Staging Ground educates askers and improves questions which should lead to more successful questions. Ideally, askers see what is expected from them and are able to write better questions on their own in the future. I don't think improving success rates "no matter the cost" was ever the goal of the Staging Ground.

I agree with many of your points but not all.

Not every question can be rewritten and reviewers shouldn't force that

If a question isn't about programming at all (e.g. it's about installing Windows or how to treat pets), there is no point in having the author rewrite that question unless the author wants to (e.g. if a question is originally about configuring Docker in non-programming context but the author is able to rewrite it to be about doing the same with programmatically (because that's what they actually need) or similar).

but removing close reasons might still be a good idea

The off-topic option has also been questioned during the beta test (the link is restricted to beta reviewers) with the suggestion of replacing it with "Require Major Changes". This discussion also came up a few times in the Staging Ground Discussion/Support chatroom. I agree with that idea for the following reasons (there's actually more than that to that idea):

  • People commonly use the "off-topic" option for questions that need clarification or similar.
  • Removing the off-topic simplifies the reviewer workflow as there is one less option (we could also get rid of "Conditionally approve pending Minor Edits" on the way) to work with and we don't have to deal with edge cases like a question being both off-topic and a duplicate if the reviewers disagree.
  • At the end, off-topic is practically just another form of "Requires Major Changes" but with
    • a different UI
    • more work (requiring two reviewers)
    • conflicts with duplicate (see above)
    • cannot be applied again by the same people (If a post is in off-topic and gets moved to "Requires Major Changes", the same reviewers cannot use the "off-topic" (or "duplicate") option again)
  • Comments allow explaining why the question is not ok (in its current form) in a more precise way than it is possible with closing

Success rates

It was literally spelled out in the introduction of staging ground that we wanted to make success rates of questions that came through the staging ground higher, no matter the cost.

I wouldn't call success rates the main goal. Instead, I think the Staging Ground should help askers improve their questions (by telling them how to change it) without ending up in a "closed" state where they have no idea what they should change/how to write a better question (which is a problem on the main site and in the Staging Ground, the authors generally have the ability to edit their posts and submit them for Re-Evaluation). The Staging Ground educates askers and improves questions which should lead to more successful questions. Ideally, askers see what is expected from them and are able to write better questions on their own in the future. I don't think improving success rates "no matter the cost" was ever the goal of the Staging Ground.

Duplicates

I think that reviewers should look for duplicates. Look for duplicates if you can.

However, I do think that process can be approved by automatically publishing duplicates to the main site if nothing else happens to the question (e.g. the author doesn't edit/Re-Evaluate it) after some time (e.g. one week). These questions wouldn't need to be shown on the start page (they are already solved) but should still be publicly available and indexed by search engines so they can act as sign posts if needed.

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I agree with many of your points but not all.

Not every question can be rewritten and reviewers shouldn't force that

If a question isn't about programming at all (e.g. it's about installing Windows or how to treat pets), there is no point in having the author rewrite that question unless the author wants to (e.g. if a question is originally about configuring Docker in non-programming context but the author is able to rewrite it to be about doing the same with programmatically (because that's what they actually need) or similar).

but removing close reasons might still be a good idea

The off-topic option has also been questioned during the beta test (the link is restricted to beta reviewers) with the suggestion of replacing it with "Require Major Changes". This discussion also came up a few times in the Staging Ground Discussion/Support chatroom. I agree with that idea for the following reasons (there's actually more than that to that idea):

  • People commonly use the "off-topic" option for questions that need clarification or similar.
  • Removing the off-topic simplifies the reviewer workflow as there is one less option (we could also get rid of "Conditionally approve pending Minor Edits" on the way) to work with and we don't have to deal with edge cases like a question being both off-topic and a duplicate if the reviewers disagree.
  • At the end, off-topic is practically just another form of "Requires Major Changes" but with
    • a different UI
    • more work (requiring two reviewers)
    • conflicts with duplicate (see above)
    • cannot be applied again by the same people (If a post is in off-topic and gets moved to "Requires Major Changes", the same reviewers cannot use the "off-topic" (or "duplicate") option again)
  • Comments allow explaining why the question is not ok (in its current form) in a more precise way than it is possible with closing

Success rates

It was literally spelled out in the introduction of staging ground that we wanted to make success rates of questions that came through the staging ground higher, no matter the cost.

I wouldn't call success rates the main goal. Instead, I think the Staging Ground should help askers improve their questions (by telling them how to change it) without ending up in a "closed" state where they have no idea what they should change/how to write a better question (which is a problem on the main site and in the Staging Ground, the authors generally have the ability to edit their posts and submit them for Re-Evaluation). The Staging Ground educates askers and improves questions which should lead to more successful questions. Ideally, askers see what is expected from them and are able to write better questions on their own in the future. I don't think improving success rates "no matter the cost" was ever the goal of the Staging Ground.