Timeline for Reviewing in the Staging Ground: A practical guide
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Nov 12 at 5:06 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel |
A copy-paste comment for something I'm sick of retyping with minor variations: Please make sure to **select "Require Major changes" status** for questions where OP must change something in order to have a question that meets the site's standards. Questions marked "Conditionally approve with Minor edits", or not marked, may be published automatically even if the OP doesn't change anything. The goal here is to avoid questions being downvoted and closed after they're published. See the [practical guide to SG reviews on the Meta site](//meta.stackoverflow.com/q/431934) for details.
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Nov 8 at 14:32 | history | edited | tyg | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
introducing the acronym before it is used
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Nov 8 at 8:07 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | @Gimby people are going to do that in SG anyway and it's much better that it's contained there rather than leaking onto the main site. If the ensuing feedback helps people walk away with a better impression (or at least a better understanding) of the site, so much the better. | |
Nov 8 at 8:01 | history | edited | Karl Knechtel | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
clarify purpose (questions don't get "closed without any chance of improvement"; OPs just give up on them); elaborate on the basic model; add a common case for invalid off-topic votes
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Nov 2 at 17:00 | history | edited | tripleee | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Oxford comma
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Oct 25 at 13:23 | comment | added | dan1st | @Gimby I don't know how to formulate that in a nice way. | |
Oct 25 at 11:32 | comment | added | Gimby | "The goal of the Staging Ground is to improve questions before they are posted on the main site" - yeah I would hope it would also be to get understanding into the heads of people sooner that Stack Overflow is not a get out of jail free card to dumping problems on other people and then going out for pizza, but I probably expect too much. | |
Oct 21 at 17:48 | comment | added | Drew Reese | Yes, I've also seen a few posts I marked with "minor edits" that later got auto-published without any update from the OP. Because of this I'll never use that option unless the post can truly already stand on its own without the suggested minor edit. It's a shame it doesn't at least require an edit by the OP prior to being published. I know a lot of thought and testing went into SG but this seems like a gap in functionality IMO. | |
Oct 21 at 14:46 | comment | added | dan1st | If you are unsure, you can always skip questions. If there's anything you think can be approved or if there are any issues with the question, you can use "Requires Major Changes". For other questions (that also fit the criteria mentioned for approving), you can probably approve them. | |
Oct 21 at 14:30 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | There are also questions I don't think are interesting or useful which I might even downvote, but don't fit any of the close reasons. I'm less sure about approving those from the SG. When those appear on main, I sometimes try to help the OP in comments if I think that's possible in a comment or two, even if I don't think the question has future value even if it is mostly answerable. IDK how to handle that on SG. | |
Oct 21 at 14:28 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | if you think it's a good Stack Overflow question, - IMO, "good" is a much higher bar than "valid" / "I wouldn't vote to close in this state on the main site" which is what we should be using as a criterion for approving from the staging ground. In my book, a "good" question is one deserving an upvote, and those are much rarer. | |
Oct 20 at 20:02 | vote | accept | dan1st | ||
Oct 19 at 9:25 | comment | added | dan1st | @chivracq Good catch. Yes, if the author doesn't edit the question, it will be automatically published (I added it to the answer). The option is mainly for question that are ok as-is but whether that option is really necessary is a different discussion. | |
Oct 19 at 9:24 | history | edited | dan1st | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 19 at 8:21 | comment | added | chivracq | @dan1st Could you mention what happens to a Qt with 'Minor Edits' if the Asker doesn't do any Edit at all, does it remain "for ever" like that, or will it get anyway automatically published after 24h...? (And if 24h, is it 24h after the Creation Timestamp, or 24h after the last Comment...?) I'm very-very reluctant to use that Option (now) as "I think" I saw 1 or 2 Qt's I had put in 'Minor Edits' and still got (automatically?) published while the Asker didn't react anymore... // There is no "s" at "Require[s]" in 'Require Major changes" in the 'SG'... + no "pending" in 'Minor Edits'... | |
Oct 19 at 3:54 | comment | added | starball | I'm wary of the phrase "it contains all necessary information". see #1 and #2 of stackoverflow.com/help/staging-ground-reviewer-guidelines. "You don’t have to be a subject matter expert on the question in order to review it. If it looks like it [...]" and "appears to have all the information necessary to answer the question". I also feel like this answer should start with a prominent callout to that help center page. | |
Oct 18 at 21:52 | comment | added | dan1st | With the Staging Ground (a) you aren't expected to be a subject-matter expert when reviewing a question (though it can certainly be helpful, especially for identifying duplicates) and (b) doing this is still possible in the Staging Ground. You can improve the question as good as you can (together with the author) and nothing stops you from answering the question after publishing. | |
Oct 18 at 21:50 | comment | added | user4581301 |
Side note: I'm right with you on the nuke-by-typo. A simple misunderstanding of the documentation or a language rule is not a typo. Swapping i with j , that's a typo. Most of the time.
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Oct 18 at 21:49 | comment | added | user4581301 | What I've found works is to write the answer before promoting it. I've found I can reliably get the answer up before the question's closed. I can take a few downvotes, and if I'm right, eventually I'll break even off the other noobs with the same question. | |
Oct 18 at 21:47 | comment | added | user4581301 | On the other hand, when I'm reviewing stuff in my wheelhouse, and I don't review anything that isn't, I've got a pretty good feel for how a question will be received by those active in my wheelhouse. I'm not going to promote a question that'll be crushed by downvotes and closed within minutes of hitting the main page. This is an advantage of knowing what I'm reviewing, even if that means I don't get to review much. The downside to my view is some of those questions do deserve an answer, but it sometimes requires herculean effort on the part of some users to reopen the question and keep it open | |
Oct 18 at 21:18 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | It's well established that "it's in the documentation" isn't a reason to close a question, unless perhaps it's motivated by a misreading of documentation (mental typo). The questions people want to dismiss as "trivial" are often quite the opposite - unfocused, but seen as boring because they're essentially homework. We close those because they're unfocused: we don't do general problem-solving for the OP (breaking a problem down into logical steps). But either way, I don't think this meta Q&A is the right place for guidance about closure reasons; that's covered elsewhere. | |
Oct 18 at 21:09 | comment | added | dan1st | The reviewer can't generally know whether such a question is "utterly trivial" or not and they especially can't predict how useful a question will be. While I agree there are question where reviewers would suspect these questions not doing well, it's not something reviewers would know. IMO these questions are still best handled on the main site. However, reviewers might be able to identify a duplicate for many trivial questions (and there's also the "typo"/"nonreproducible" close reason that can apply in some cases but I kinda avoided mentioning that as I don't want it to be overused). | |
Oct 18 at 21:04 | comment | added | user4581301 | I'm still wary of promoting a clear, non-duplicate question that is utterly trivial. There's definitely a place on SO for simple answers to simple questions, but there are still some questions that cannot be prettied up enough to have a long or even short-but-happy life on the main site. | |
Oct 18 at 20:15 | history | edited | cafce25 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 18 at 19:10 | comment | added | dan1st | This is inspired by the answers of the Staging Ground Beta team post What should be the target quality level for posts to be approved? Should all posts ideally require an SME to review? (requires access) and the Staging Ground Reviewer guidelines. | |
Oct 18 at 19:06 | history | answered | dan1st | CC BY-SA 4.0 |