Timeline for The prevalence of inline "enter image description here" links indicates a UX problem
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Oct 17 at 15:10 | history | edited | SlateStaffMod |
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Sep 17 at 19:49 | answer | added | Karl Knechtel | timeline score: 7 | |
Sep 17 at 18:06 | comment | added | Evert | @TylerH Sure, I stand by my original point that generally encouraging more users to supply the alt text through UI changes improves both compliance and accessibility. The only intepretation where this is not true is if you see WCAG compliance as boolean and not as a gradient where you're encouraged to do as much as you can, within reason. | |
Sep 17 at 18:03 | comment | added | TylerH | @Evert The accepted answer there indicates two options, one of which is "accept it, because you're not responsible". The other is not possible for Stack Overflow (or any social media site) because it does not scale whatsoever. As the other answer there makes fairly clear, you're not responsible for 3rd party content when you provide methods for that content to be made accessible. Stack Overflow provides an option for users to add alt text. It's the user's responsibility to make use of that option. | |
Sep 17 at 17:59 | comment | added | Evert | @TylerH here's a relevant stack overflow question with sources that failing to force users to submit content with an accessible way might at least reduce compliance to 'partial'. I think it counts, especially since options exist to do something better: stackoverflow.com/questions/62788578/… | |
Sep 17 at 17:55 | comment | added | TylerH | And, just so there's no confusion, I do think it's better for accessibility when images have alt text. | |
Sep 17 at 17:55 | comment | added | TylerH | @Evert The font and font color and rendered markup of your post above are part of the site, and thus fair game for WCAG compliance scoring for the site "Meta Stack Overflow". The contents of your post are not, because they're not part of the site. It's up to each user to ensure the content they add to the site is accessible, should they care about that. But like all other user-generated content, Stack Overflow is not particularly liable or responsible for inaccessible user-generated content. | |
Sep 17 at 17:53 | comment | added | TylerH | @Evert All my comments have been genuine efforts to improve the quality of this question, ironically. Sorry if you feel they're bad faith--I actually get the same vibe from you. As for your quote, that's not a claim, it's a correction to your claim that user-contributed content on a social media site affect the WCAG compliance score of the site. But that's not how it works. Sites that allow users to post content can't typically control how accessible the content a user posts is. It's the content of the site itself that matters for its WCAG compliance score. | |
Sep 17 at 17:50 | history | edited | zcoop98 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 17 at 17:46 | answer | added | Laurel | timeline score: 10 | |
Sep 17 at 17:42 | comment | added | TylerH | @Evert "There's also a accessibility issue / wcag issue here. Not sure if SO cares about WCAG compliance, but this would fail that test." What exactly is the issue? That SO doesn't require a caption be manually written by the user when adding an image? Note that accessibility issues with user-submitted content don't affect WCAG compliance of the site itself. | |
Sep 17 at 17:39 | comment | added | TylerH |
@samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz I don't think that's "expected" for experienced users to do that. At least, I've never seen such guidance. Sometimes images don't need to be (or are better off not) embedded, such as when they're ancillary to the question or are so big that they make users have to scroll significantly. Likewise, just adding a ! is less than ideal. It's better to add a wrapper of [!]() (or whatever the exact syntax is) so that the link is not only embedded but also a clickable link to open the full version via a direct link.
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Sep 17 at 17:05 | comment | added | user4581301 |
(Nearly) Ten years in I also did not know about the use of ! . I've been copying the URL, removing the link, and then adding it back again. Can't wait to try that ! out.
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Sep 17 at 17:04 | comment | added | Dan Mašek | "there's a UX problem here" -- nope, PEBKAC. You really don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out what you're expected to do there, it literally says it. There's no excuse at all for users who leave it untouched and hit submit. | |
Sep 17 at 16:51 | comment | added | President James K. Polk | Should SO block submission if the string exists? I like the idea. | |
Sep 17 at 16:36 | history | edited | Evert | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 17 at 16:32 | comment | added | samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz | related meta.stackexchange.com/questions/129833/… | |
Sep 17 at 16:30 | comment | added | Evert | @samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz ah interesting. As an experienced user, I didn't know. That said, I think this is still a pretty poor UX. Users should be encouraged to write alt text, or encouraged to embed code in case they're sharing screenshots of their editor. | |
Sep 17 at 16:29 | comment | added | samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz |
@Evert Experienced users are expected to take a look at these images and add a ! if they are a useful for the question. As soon as the ! is added, the image will show up
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Sep 17 at 16:28 | comment | added | Evert | @samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz added an example via a screenshot. This is a very common sight in many questions. I wasn't aware that there's a reputation gate for this | |
Sep 17 at 16:27 | history | edited | Evert | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 17 at 16:27 | comment | added | samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz | Are you asking about the 1-rep users who can yet inline images? They aren't doing anything wrong. The system deliberately does not let them show images. | |
Sep 17 at 16:02 | comment | added | Thom A | The SG probably would address many of these, however, SO refuse to send users there, so we can't have "nice things." | |
Sep 17 at 15:59 | history | asked | Evert | CC BY-SA 4.0 |