Timeline for Answer containing special characters to allegedly prevent AI from training on it
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Jun 21 at 14:54 | comment | added | Kevin B | Be the solution. Go make a better Q&A/community platform. Contribute to a better one. sticking around and throwing mud hoping someone else will do the work doesn't get us anywhere. | |
Jun 21 at 14:51 | comment | added | Kevin B | That opinion aside, it doesn't change the result. these cases will be removed and users who are being particularly abusive of it are likely to be banned. it's an annoyance at best, and the only people being harmed by this change are ordinary users, not AI companies or stack. The only activism that would have any effect what so ever is moving on. Doing something about it. not sticking around and poking at anyone who doesn' agree with you. | |
Jun 21 at 14:43 | comment | added | Kevin B | @EatenbyaGrue what label should it have to describe it? it really doesn't matter, it doesn't belong here. Here is not the place for activism, and content posted here is licensed to be used in whatever way stack feels appropriate, even if that means selling out to AI companies. If one wishes for stack to not have that ability, one shouldn't post here. | |
Jun 21 at 14:36 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | @KevinB - I would argue that an attempt to obfuscate content from AI is not political content. The OP is merely trying to exclude their contribution from being digested by a bot. It certainly makes a clear distinction about who the intended audience is for the answer they provided, but I don't think the content itself is political beyond the fact that their state intention is currently a contentious one. | |
Jun 19 at 19:04 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @RealAnswersNotAI I don't know what is unclear here. The post was written with Unicode obfuscation instead of regular text. The OP even included why it was done like that, so we don't have to guess the intent. I was very clear that posting such content is not acceptable, and that it will be removed unless it is edited. I seriously don't know how much clearer I can be. If you add some meta commentary into any post that does not belong there it will be edited out. In this case there is no meta commentary and the whole post is a problem, so it either needs to be fixed or removed. | |
Jun 19 at 18:41 | comment | added | Kevin B | @RealAnswersNotAI it's fairly easy to determine what is political content meant to "fight" against something one doesn't like and what is genuinely useful content for the community. It's certainly possible for a given answer to be both, but we should certainly strive to remove the political content from what is otherwise a non-political space. | |
Jun 19 at 18:37 | comment | added | RealAnswersNotAI | @DalijaPrasnikar my concern isn't the other answers, it's multiple comments by you about "the rules" and how strictly this should be enforced without once citing a specific rule. Zero tolerance for deleting answers and zero tolerance for anti-LLM tone are very different policies, right? Staff Jay Hanlon said, "Imagine if police could give out summons that, rather than, 'failure to stop at a signal,' just read, 'behavioral violation'. When feedback isn't specific, it's impossible to fix the problem, but easy to write it off as probably coming from a bunch of grumpy old jerkfaces" | |
Jun 19 at 5:23 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @RealAnswersNotAI Please read the answers if you want to know the reasons. | |
Jun 19 at 5:11 | comment | added | RealAnswersNotAI | @DalijaPrasnikar Yes not "everything goes", but let's be honest that good, unique answers to questions are deleted everyday on this site. Often for understandable mission reasons but sometimes due to oversight or abuse of vague CoC. You seem to be defending aggressive moderator actions like deletion of posts claiming the only alternative is an "anything goes" attitude. If there's a rule against anti-AI measures or tone then cite something more specific than "this isn't a public space". | |
Jun 19 at 4:27 | history | edited | user12002570 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 19 at 2:52 | answer | added | Daniel T | timeline score: 14 | |
Jun 18 at 16:27 | answer | added | Ryan MMod | timeline score: 19 | |
Jun 18 at 15:28 | comment | added | Augusto Vasques | @LeonardoAlvesMachado: Unicode obfuscation isn't very helpful. Certainly, a specifically data mining designed parser would be much more efficient than prompt, but take a look at what the ChatGPT free version does with obfuscated unicode text. i.sstatic.net/tr27Nmcy.png | |
Jun 18 at 14:34 | comment | added | Leonardo Alves Machado | I wonder if that would actually prevent an AI from "learning"... I wonder if maybe it would eventually learn that "ิ" equals "d" on those cases... | |
Jun 18 at 11:22 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @AugustoVasques "The AI will just recalibrate the parser as it has always done with unicode jailbreaks." We could potentially start uploading handwritten letters, where the worst handwriting is preferred, but that may not be enough. If only there was a license that would forbid usage of content as training material for AI. I could be persuaded to use it (elsewhere). | |
Jun 18 at 6:45 | comment | added | Daviid |
Anyone scraping text to use for AI will probably have a parser that translates this stuff from ิั๐ะตั๐โ
ผั to proper ascii 100 105 114 101 99 116 108 121 so the only ones affected are screen readers and the users that rely on them
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Jun 17 at 17:44 | answer | added | Scotty Jamison | timeline score: 31 | |
Jun 16 at 21:13 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | @DalijaPrasnikar - this as public of a space as you can find on the internet. Public spaces have rules. Having rules does not mean it's not a public space and I said nothing about "anything goes". I don't think the answer was at all abusive. He was helpful and polite but clear about his wish not to indulge AI training. To me that's ok. | |
Jun 16 at 17:33 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @EatenbyaGrue This is not public space where anything goes. Specifically, main sites have strict rules about the content and very specific purpose. People can express their dissatisfaction on Meta, but there is no room for any kind of abuse on main sites. | |
Jun 16 at 16:21 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | As many have pointed out, it's true that the mangled text is actually a fail on a few levels. It hinders the visually impaired, and doesn't do much to prevent AI training. But I still support the sentiment. This is (more or less) a public space and the OP is expressing their disdain for what's happening here. The alternative is to simply not post - which is fine but doesn't really send a message to other users. It's hard to "boycott" a website because there's no place to stand and scream rebelious chants. | |
Jun 16 at 12:40 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | @MisterMiyagi Maybe they asked ChatGPT for ideas ;) | |
Jun 16 at 11:18 | comment | added | user5349916 | At least one of the common GPT services has absolutely no problem parsing the example text, and it's trivial to verify that. I wish people would stop hallucinating clever anti-AI hacks... | |
Jun 16 at 11:00 | comment | added | Sylvester is on codidact.com | Trying to prevent AI from training on it by adding strange characters seems pointless to me... in my experience, ChatGPT doesn't have too much trouble recognizing "special" letters. Of course, maybe other AI models are different. | |
Jun 16 at 10:55 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @MarkAmery SE is not government or any similar entity. | |
Jun 16 at 10:05 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | It wouldn't be possible to "remove" the special characters - they aren't extra, invisible characters inserted in the text, but replacements for ordinary characters. If removed, there would be nothing left. Worth noting that these characters won't have glyphs in all fonts even on relatively new setups - for example, I see a numbered-code-point proxy glyph instead of an actual symbol for the "s" (which is actually this character). | |
Jun 16 at 9:17 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @DalijaPrasnikar Eh, I think it's fair to call it "civil disobedience" - in that it's public defiance of rules that is motivated by moral principle rather than any kind of self-interest. It's just painfully stupid civil disobedience. Nothing in the definition of "civil disobedience" says it has to be good and wise or deserving of being indulged by those with power - and many famous historical examples weren't any of those things. | |
Jun 16 at 8:02 | answer | added | Cristik | timeline score: 37 | |
Jun 16 at 7:46 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @EatenbyaGrue This is not civil disobedience. Nobody is forced to post here, but if they are bound by TOS and should follow some rules. If they do such edits on existing posts then this is definitely vandalizing. There will be zero tolerance to such or any other malicious behavior, not because it hurts AI, but because it hurts people that use the sites. | |
Jun 16 at 7:30 | comment | added | VLAZ | Would this also prevent search engines properly indexing the content? If I search "directly set the address" would it just not show up because of whatever characters they've put in? Same goes for site search, as well. | |
Jun 16 at 7:20 | comment | added | user12002570 | @starball It is trying to circumvent the license policy made for posted answer by including those special characters and saying they did it purposely. | |
Jun 16 at 7:06 | comment | added | starball | 1) this will not prevent AI from training on it. 2) re: "But I am not sure if this meets SO's licensing policies etc"... what on earth does this "tactic" have to do with SO's licensing policies? | |
Jun 16 at 6:38 | answer | added | Dalija PrasnikarMod | timeline score: 51 | |
Jun 16 at 5:55 | comment | added | Security Hound | I am just going to use my voting powers to indicate that answers that attempt to avoid being parsed by an AI are unhelpful, since this method, does make it harder to read itโs also ineffective. I suppose itโs better than just vandalizing your contributions by deliberately deleting the entire thing | |
Jun 16 at 4:49 | comment | added | Augusto Vasques | @EatenbyaGrue, But civil disobedience here will only harm the visually impaired. The AI will just recalibrate the parser as it has always done with unicode jailbreaks. | |
Jun 16 at 4:35 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | Civil disobedience at it's finest. | |
Jun 16 at 4:13 | comment | added | Augusto Vasques | MSE post meta.stackexchange.com/q/400728/608272 | |
Jun 16 at 3:46 | comment | added | Anon Coward | This whole thing reminds me of the many copy-n-paste hoaxes that made their way through facebook. @kmdreko here's what it sounds like in my screen reader. Not very useful. | |
Jun 16 at 3:40 | history | became hot meta post | |||
Jun 16 at 3:37 | comment | added | cocomac | @AugustoVasques This question could be migrated to MSE by a mod. Of course, it's technically possible for the OP to copy-paste the question & I copy-paste my answer, too. I'd lean toward the former of those options. If it comes up again, someone can point to the MSE post, I don't see a great reason to have it copied in both places (once in a while it happens, but I don't think it's necessary here). | |
Jun 16 at 3:33 | comment | added | Augusto Vasques | Is it technically possible to mirror the question and answers on MetaSE? I ask because, I think, that what is discussed here can help guide the network in this case. | |
Jun 16 at 3:10 | answer | added | cocomac | timeline score: 22 | |
Jun 16 at 2:46 | comment | added | kmdreko | I'm curious what this sounds like with a screen reader. | |
Jun 16 at 2:39 | history | asked | user12002570 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |