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There's some nuance to be had here. Here's a general rundown.

Spam flags need to be obvious

For moderators especially, we don't get any additional context (especially in the pattern department). When you raise a spam flag, it has to be obvious it's spam. The posts you linked all look like Not-An-Answer(NAA) at first glance. I would give you even money that, seen in isolation, they would be removed. Speaking for myself, I do sometimes decline the flag and delete it, with a comment about it being NAA.

Spam removed by the community has no inherent followup

If four users spam flag a post, the post (and, if it's a question, any answers) is deleted and the user gets a -100 rep penalty (plus various rate limiting kicks in). But moderators will not see that post. If a user is doing lots of posting, and the community at large is efficient in removing them, it's basically invisible to us.

Moderator flags are necessary for patterns

If a user is making lots of posts, understand that moderators work on a post-by-post basis. Sometimes you'll get lucky. I've come into the console and seen a large number of spam flags pending and realized they are all for the same user. Do not rely on that. Moderator flags tell us what we need to be looking for, and they are the only reliable way to alert us to patterns. A lot of useus are active in the Charcoal project, and links to MetaSmoke (where the patterns can be easily laid bare) are always welcome. Last, but not least, moderator flags survive post deletion (even if the post is removed by the Community user via flags).

Don't spam-flag single NAA instances lacking disclosure

To reiterate, we're talking marginally useful content, not true spam. I see this too often, where someone thinks "I wrote a useful library that answers this question" and they make a minimal post to link to it (almost always without disclosing that they are the author). Another user then comes and hard-applies the non-disclosure rule and flags it as spam. Please don't do that.

If the user is new, please explain the rules to them and flag it as NAA (link-only answers are subject to deletion). I tend to view three instances (or more) of this sort of thing as spammy, and I have fewer problems with red flags in that sort of case. But, ideally, you want a moderator to intervene in such circumstances. We have some messages we send that explain this all in detail (and emphasize the disclosure part). If you feel a user is posting too many non-disclosed links, please mod flag for investigation.

Can a spam penalty be reversed?

Yes. Moderators have an option to clear red flags (spam or rude/abusive), which removes all associated penalties. If you feel a post was removed incorrectly, you can moderator flag that post directly (10k+ only), or raise a moderator flag on any post with a link to it and an explanation of why you feel it was done in error. Alternatively, you can come to Meta and post a link to it (less precise, but we do try to keep tabs on Meta). If the community agrees, it tends to become more visible as it gets upvoted.

There's some nuance to be had here. Here's a general rundown.

Spam flags need to be obvious

For moderators especially, we don't get any additional context (especially in the pattern department). When you raise a spam flag, it has to be obvious it's spam. The posts you linked all look like Not-An-Answer(NAA) at first glance. I would give you even money that, seen in isolation, they would be removed. Speaking for myself, I do sometimes decline the flag and delete it, with a comment about it being NAA.

Spam removed by the community has no inherent followup

If four users spam flag a post, the post (and, if it's a question, any answers) is deleted and the user gets a -100 rep penalty (plus various rate limiting kicks in). But moderators will not see that post. If a user is doing lots of posting, and the community at large is efficient in removing them, it's basically invisible to us.

Moderator flags are necessary for patterns

If a user is making lots of posts, understand that moderators work on a post-by-post basis. Sometimes you'll get lucky. I've come into the console and seen a large number of spam flags pending and realized they are all for the same user. Do not rely on that. Moderator flags tell us what we need to be looking for, and they are the only reliable way to alert us to patterns. A lot of use are active in the Charcoal project, and links to MetaSmoke (where the patterns can be easily laid bare) are always welcome. Last, but not least, moderator flags survive post deletion (even if the post is removed by the Community user via flags).

Don't spam-flag single NAA instances lacking disclosure

To reiterate, we're talking marginally useful content, not true spam. I see this too often, where someone thinks "I wrote a useful library that answers this question" and they make a minimal post to link to it (almost always without disclosing that they are the author). Another user then comes and hard-applies the non-disclosure rule and flags it as spam. Please don't do that.

If the user is new, please explain the rules to them and flag it as NAA (link-only answers are subject to deletion). I tend to view three instances (or more) of this sort of thing as spammy, and I have fewer problems with red flags in that sort of case. But, ideally, you want a moderator to intervene in such circumstances. We have some messages we send that explain this all in detail (and emphasize the disclosure part). If you feel a user is posting too many non-disclosed links, please mod flag for investigation.

Can a spam penalty be reversed?

Yes. Moderators have an option to clear red flags (spam or rude/abusive), which removes all associated penalties. If you feel a post was removed incorrectly, you can moderator flag that post directly (10k+ only), or raise a moderator flag any post with a link to it and an explanation of why you feel it was done in error. Alternatively, you can come to Meta and post a link to it (less precise, but we do try to keep tabs on Meta). If the community agrees, it tends to become more visible as it gets upvoted.

There's some nuance to be had here. Here's a general rundown.

Spam flags need to be obvious

For moderators especially, we don't get any additional context (especially in the pattern department). When you raise a spam flag, it has to be obvious it's spam. The posts you linked all look like Not-An-Answer(NAA) at first glance. I would give you even money that, seen in isolation, they would be removed. Speaking for myself, I do sometimes decline the flag and delete it, with a comment about it being NAA.

Spam removed by the community has no inherent followup

If four users spam flag a post, the post (and, if it's a question, any answers) is deleted and the user gets a -100 rep penalty (plus various rate limiting kicks in). But moderators will not see that post. If a user is doing lots of posting, and the community at large is efficient in removing them, it's basically invisible to us.

Moderator flags are necessary for patterns

If a user is making lots of posts, understand that moderators work on a post-by-post basis. Sometimes you'll get lucky. I've come into the console and seen a large number of spam flags pending and realized they are all for the same user. Do not rely on that. Moderator flags tell us what we need to be looking for, and they are the only reliable way to alert us to patterns. A lot of us are active in the Charcoal project, and links to MetaSmoke (where the patterns can be easily laid bare) are always welcome. Last, but not least, moderator flags survive post deletion (even if the post is removed by the Community user via flags).

Don't spam-flag single NAA instances lacking disclosure

To reiterate, we're talking marginally useful content, not true spam. I see this too often, where someone thinks "I wrote a useful library that answers this question" and they make a minimal post to link to it (almost always without disclosing that they are the author). Another user then comes and hard-applies the non-disclosure rule and flags it as spam. Please don't do that.

If the user is new, please explain the rules to them and flag it as NAA (link-only answers are subject to deletion). I tend to view three instances (or more) of this sort of thing as spammy, and I have fewer problems with red flags in that sort of case. But, ideally, you want a moderator to intervene in such circumstances. We have some messages we send that explain this all in detail (and emphasize the disclosure part). If you feel a user is posting too many non-disclosed links, please mod flag for investigation.

Can a spam penalty be reversed?

Yes. Moderators have an option to clear red flags (spam or rude/abusive), which removes all associated penalties. If you feel a post was removed incorrectly, you can moderator flag that post directly (10k+ only), or raise a moderator flag on any post with a link to it and an explanation of why you feel it was done in error. Alternatively, you can come to Meta and post a link to it (less precise, but we do try to keep tabs on Meta). If the community agrees, it tends to become more visible as it gets upvoted.

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Machavity Mod
  • 31.6k
  • 38
  • 283
  • 382

There's some nuance to be had here. Here's a general rundown.

Spam flags need to be obvious

For moderators especially, we don't get any additional context (especially in the pattern department). When you raise a spam flag, it has to be obvious it's spam. The posts you linked all look like Not-An-Answer(NAA) at first glance. I would give you even money that, seen in isolation, they would be removed. Speaking for myself, I do sometimes decline the flag and delete it, with a comment about it being NAA.

Spam removed by the community has no inherent followup

If four users spam flag a post, the post (and, if it's a question, any answers) is deleted and the user gets a -100 rep penalty (plus various rate limiting kicks in). But moderators will not see that post. If a user is doing lots of posting, and the community at large is efficient in removing them, it's basically invisible to us.

Moderator flags are necessary for patterns

If a user is making lots of posts, understand that moderators work on a post-by-post basis. Sometimes you'll get lucky. I've come into the console and seen a large number of spam flags pending and realized they are all for the same user. Do not rely on that. Moderator flags tell us what we need to be looking for, and they are the only reliable way to alert us to patterns. A lot of use are active in the Charcoal project, and links to MetaSmoke (where the patterns can be easily laid bare) are always welcome. Last, but not least, moderator flags survive post deletion (even if the post is removed by the Community user via flags).

Don't spam-flag single NAA instances lacking disclosure

To reiterate, we're talking marginally useful content, not true spam. I see this too often, where someone thinks "I wrote a useful library that answers this question" and they make a minimal post to link to it (almost always without disclosing that they are the author). Another user then comes and hard-applies the non-disclosure rule and flags it as spam. Please don't do that.

If the user is new, please explain the rules to them and flag it as NAA (link-only answers are subject to deletion). I tend to view three instances (or more) of this sort of thing as spammy, and I have fewer problems with red flags in that sort of case. But, ideally, you want a moderator to intervene in such circumstances. We have some messages we send that explain this all in detail (and emphasize the disclosure part). If you feel a user is posting too many non-disclosed links, please mod flag for investigation.

Can a spam penalty be reversed?

Yes. Moderators have an option to clear red flags (spam or rude/abusive), which removes all associated penalties. If you feel a post was removed incorrectly, you can moderator flag that post directly (10k+ only), or raise a moderator flag any post with a link to it and an explanation of why you feel it was done in error. Alternatively, you can come to Meta and post a link to it (less precise, but we do try to keep tabs on Meta). If the community agrees, it tends to become more visible as it gets upvoted.