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Apr 20 at 17:40 history edited Toby Speight CC BY-SA 4.0
Link to other answer (which isn't necessarily _above_ this one)
Apr 11 at 18:42 history edited TylerH CC BY-SA 4.0
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Apr 11 at 15:43 comment added user4581301 Two notes: never underestimate the lengths people will go to to fool an algorithm for fun or profit and someone has to design, implement, test, and maintain that algorithm at no small cost. That or let the AI teach itself and eventually exterminate humanity for being inefficient (or because the AI has evolved into seeing the sort of stupid questions we see on SO torture for its fellow programs).
Apr 11 at 11:27 comment added Timur Shtatland @KevinB Thank you for your comment! I see that you have thought deeply about this issue and more, and know more on this issue than I do. Could you please expand more on your last comment? I am especially interested in links to meta posts that are relevant to these stories. This would help me get up to speed on these topics. Thank you very much in advance!
Apr 11 at 11:20 comment added Timur Shtatland @user4581301 Re: "Flagging "noise" comments as no longer needed can't be worth much otherwise I guarantee you'll see noise-rep circles creating noise just so friends can remove it." This can be detected and punished algorithmically. This sin is similar to other group sins, e.g., voting circles, cliques, serial voting, etc. All of this is found by The Great AI Eye In The Sky that can see it all, and that verily never sleepeth! And nothing concentrates the mind more than an automated immediate suspension for a day, or a week, or a month for being part of a noise-rep circle!
Apr 11 at 11:13 comment added Timur Shtatland @user4581301 Re: "Besides, you do not want to devolve edits something too close to what happened with Documentation.": I missed this story, but I would like to know more. Could you please expand on this point a little? If you have a link to meta posts, it would be helpful too. TYIA!
Apr 11 at 11:11 comment added Timur Shtatland @user4581301 Re: "After that, why pother? You're pretty much already well-engaged.": I would do the above curation tasks for as low as +1 point for easy tasks, and +10 points for the most complex tasks. Heck, I am even doing it for free often enough! And so do countless other users, including the silent curation heroes, who curate tens of thousands of posts, and whose names are known only to a few of us who pay attention.
Apr 11 at 5:12 comment added Kevin B @TimurShtatland i mean, we've already seen time and time again that rep for questions/answers drive people to become toxic when denied access to it, or when abusing it through spamming answers to low quality questions. It's why there's interest in pulling some of the curation tooling away from rep alone and more to earning it through relevant actions.
Apr 11 at 0:49 comment added user4581301 Closing down an old question as a duplicate of another old question I can see as 10 points. Editing any post and getting it approved is currently 2 points up until you hit, I think, 2000 rep. After that, why pother? You're pretty much already well-engaged. Besides, you do not want to devolve edits something too close to what happened with Documentation. Flagging "noise" comments as no longer needed can't be worth much otherwise I guarantee you'll see noise-rep circles creating noise just so friends can remove it.
Apr 11 at 0:01 comment added Timur Shtatland @KevinB Why not question "the value that engagement will bring with" the standard reputation points for questions? What's good for questions and answers, that is, rep points, should be good for the curation efforts. Not sure why we need a two-track system. It's like paying real money to engineers, but another "kind" of money to janitors - and more rarely too!
Apr 10 at 23:23 comment added Kevin B No, I don’t disagree that your suggestion would increase engagement, I question the value that engagement will bring with that style of reward
Apr 10 at 23:20 comment added Timur Shtatland @KevinB Thank you for the comment! I am not sure I fully understand it though... Do you disagree with the results of studies that show that immediate rewards work better than non-immediate rewards? Could you please expand on your comment a little? TY!
Apr 10 at 22:09 comment added Kevin B all of which is actually a form of "better onboarding" to each of those features, as opposed to just handing them the tool and rewarding them for using it.
Apr 10 at 21:37 comment added Kevin B The reward should be the trust the system is giving you in granting you access to increased ability, not number go up mechanics that are more akin to addiction rather than doing things for the good of the community. I don't disagree that the reward mechanics are lopsided on SO, but handing out rep for being a busy-body in reviews seems a bit weird to me. Surely we could just improve the way we are presenting these tools to users and unlock them gradually over time with progress bars based on actions rather than rep gain to get the same effect.
Apr 10 at 21:04 comment added Timur Shtatland @user4581301 I am flagging you, buddy! Gimme my +10 now.
Apr 10 at 20:48 comment added user4581301 Flagging "noise" comments as no longer needed - same as above. Wow. Some people are gonna get rich off of me.
Apr 10 at 20:28 history edited cottontail CC BY-SA 4.0
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Apr 10 at 20:15 history answered Timur Shtatland CC BY-SA 4.0