Timeline for Drop vote-to-migrate threshold to 2 of the 3 VTC's?
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Mar 27 at 19:21 | comment | added | user4581301 | That I'm not going to argue with. We've got folks with fantastic amounts of rep that are too fast on the draw (or don't draw fast enough) and rank n00bs that "get it" immediately. We should consider that there be no migration at all. The asker should be directed to the help center for a candidate site and told to rework the question to bring it in line with that site's rules and re-ask, then delete the off-topic question. If they do it, awesome. If they don't, the roomba will clean up the off-topic question in a few weeks. | |
Mar 27 at 19:15 | comment | added | TylerH | @user4581301 I don't think you need to have close vote privileges to know whether a question will be on-topic. Otherwise why are we letting anyone ask a question on the site without first getting close vote reputation? Seems like a specious argument to me. As for "well-received", no one can guess at that. There are perfectly good questions on all sites that are still closed, and vice versa. | |
Mar 27 at 19:14 | comment | added | user4581301 | @TylerH Overly restrictive, yes, but if you do not know that the question will be well-received on Site X, you have no business migrating. Maybe as low as commenting privileges would be suitable, but I suspect a good minimum would be "able to access the review queues." | |
Mar 27 at 18:35 | comment | added | TylerH | @user4581301 That would be an extremely small pool of candidates. A more realistic criterion would be "someone who has an account on the target site and has earned reputation there", or perhaps earned the "Informed" badge on that site. | |
Mar 27 at 10:53 | comment | added | oguz ismail | 4/5 is not the same as 2/3. Migration not happening unless all close voters agree makes perfect sense to me. | |
Mar 27 at 10:51 | comment | added | starball | @NotTheDr01ds re "we have no way of knowing" - SEDE schema. PostHistory has migration events (PostHistoryTypeId 35 and 36). then you can join on Posts / Votes / PostFeedback to get voting info, closure info, etc. cross-site SEDE is a thing. in case you're wondering, I don't think info about aged-away migration votes is in SEDE (see this). | |
Mar 27 at 10:42 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @oguzismail We have no way of knowing the overall number unless SE provides statistics. If migration isn't useful, then it's a feature that SE should just turn off entirely. I'm going on the assumption that it was useful when it required 4 of 5 votes, and that it would still be useful today with 2 of 3. The logic of a single vote derailing the migration just doesn't make sense. Also there's only a "hassle to migrate them" if the automatic vote fails - Then a Mod has to do it manually. | |
Mar 27 at 0:33 | comment | added | oguz ismail | How often do migrated questions prove worthy of the hassle to migrate them? What percentage of them garner upvotes/answers? Do other sites really want our junk? Where did meta questions with detailed statistics go? | |
Mar 26 at 18:08 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @user4581301 While I agree that would probably be a better system, it's just not what's in place nor has ever been. Even better - Just have a "Inbound Migrations" review queue, perhaps. Two reviewers with enough rep on the target site (or one gold-badge in the tag) could vote to allow the migration. | |
Mar 26 at 18:01 | comment | added | user4581301 | Opinion: The only people who's migration votes should count are the voters who also have close vote privileges (and thus have demonstrated some understanding of what's acceptable) on the target site with the possible exception of migrate to meta. | |
Mar 26 at 14:57 | comment | added | Tanner | @VLAZ "viewers" is probably the wrong term, but there would be some logical combination of metrics that would allow some form of weighting. Low traffic tags may never get to a higher threshold, where as higher traffic tag could easily surpass it. | |
Mar 26 at 14:03 | comment | added | VLAZ | @Tanner you'll quickly run into an issue trying to quantify what "popular" means. More questions? Some tags have less questions but more oversight because of it. More views? That is partly a function of quantity of questions. But also a tag with very few questions might get a disproportionate representation if it exists on a question with millions of views. Also - views do not account for how active the community is there. The views can be mostly from users already acting on the questions. Or from mostly anonymous users. Who knows. | |
Mar 26 at 13:58 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @VLAZ My first thought was that it would work. But the corner-case there is that, at least at present, the flag queue is deep enough that the OP might have reposted already after it gets closed. That means that it would require additional effort for the Mod to check if the user had recently posted on the other site. Also, the question would be initially closed regardless, so there's still the "negative reaction" (warranted or not) from the user that could be avoided by automatic vote-to-migrate. | |
Mar 26 at 13:56 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @Tanner I've always thought that "scaling" might be a good way to handle lower-volume tags. That said, there are probably a lot of corner cases involved. Regardless, it's definitely not an "easy" solution for an already-constrained SE dev staff ;-) | |
Mar 26 at 13:51 | comment | added | Tanner | Wonder if you could adjust the threshold based on tag popularity too. More viewers = more voters and vice versa. | |
Mar 26 at 13:35 | comment | added | VLAZ | A cheap solution here might be for the system to raise an automatic mod flag if 2/3 close votes are for migration. That leaves the current system basically intact with some extra exception handling. | |
Mar 26 at 12:53 | comment | added | NotTheDr01ds | @AbdulAzizBarkat I did consider that, but technically that's a much bigger implementation, of course. I have gold-badge in the tag on Super User, but I can't imagine the cross-site work needed to check that. I'm going for the simple case first ;-) | |
Mar 26 at 12:45 | comment | added | Abdul Aziz Barkat | What if a condition was added to vote for migrations where you should have a minimum amount of reputation on the other site? Maybe having the close votes privilege on the other site? This would ensure the person casting the vote has some knowledge about what questions would be on-topic and suitable for the other site. | |
Mar 26 at 12:38 | comment | added | VLAZ | Also happens fairly regularly with questions posted on the main site that are about the main site. So migrating to meta is appropriate, however, a single "Not about programming" or any other close reason blocks that. | |
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