Timeline for An instance of moderators not honoring their own advice with respect to meta commentary
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Oct 3, 2023 at 3:37 | comment | added | mklement0 |
@KarlKnechtel: The premise is: Such comments only make sense on post with a net negative score, and are to be removed if and when the net score reaches 0 . While the net score is negative, that is the main signal, which the comment is meant to counteract. To those who only care about the main signal (vote tally), any comment will be irrelevant (and it is therefore moot to debate whether it amounts to "noise"). To those who choose to look more closely, the comment may provide value.
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Oct 3, 2023 at 3:37 | comment | added | mklement0 | @KarlKnechtel: You and possibly others may perceive my comments as complaints (they're not), wherever they're placed. Others may pay attention - and they're the target audience; the potential reward is a solution that works for them. If it doesn't, and they provide relevant feedback, leading to the answer getting amended or even deleted, as the situation may warrant, that's a win for the community at large too. | |
Oct 3, 2023 at 3:37 | comment | added | mklement0 | @KarlKnechtel: After I removed a regretfully snarky response, let me try a snark-free version: The distinction (a) is subtle, and (b) it matters on a site riddled with poor-quality answers that their authors allow to stand, despite - often easily verifiable - feedback pointing out their flaws. In other words: that answerers stand by their post (and invite feedback to productively engage with anyone who disagrees) is de facto not implied. | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 18:40 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "the distinction I'm making is subtle" - it's really not that subtle; we just don't consider it relevant. "Invitation to productive engagement" is always implicit in the core functionality of the site itself and the fact of the existence of its community. The fact remains that you felt compelled to highlight an ordinary feature of how the site works because of someone else's content rating. This will never be perceived by others as anything other than a complaint, in any place that allows for user-rated, user-generated content. | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 15:33 | comment | added | mklement0 | As an aside, re the meta effect: Yes, the answer in question is still at -1. However, someone apparently (I can't know for sure) took the time to track down 2 of the other 3 answers of mine with a negative score and down-voted them without comment. | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 15:33 | comment | added | mklement0 | Understood, and I understand that the distinction I'm making is subtle: my comments are not aimed at down-voters, but at future readers, and are an invitation to productive engagement, and not a complaint. But we can leave it at that. | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 15:29 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | The bulk of the issue there is (as I mentioned) we remove tons of comments aimed at downvoters. It wasn't until the mod room pings that I realized there was not unity there. I didn't even remove all the comments (there was a third mod there, and that was a simple NLN flag). If you leave comments like this and they get flagged they are highly likely to be removed, mod message or not. There's no easy way to avoid that. My comments were aimed more towards why I locked it | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 15:28 | comment | added | mklement0 | As for why even a single down-vote matters: It is the threshold that is likely to make future readers dismiss answers out of hand. My comments are simply meant to be an extra pointer to say: "I think this answer has value - I've double-checked to make sure that it works as advertised - and may help you, so I invite you to evaluate that for yourself. If there's a problem with the answer, after all, let us know, and I'll fix/delete it." To me that is more than just complaining about a down-vote - it's an invitation to engage productively. | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 15:25 | comment | added | mklement0 | What you're saying about when comments about down-votes are called for contradicts what the moderator message (quoted and linked to in the OP) stated; to recap: "You may request feedback on posts in comments (e.g., 'I would happily accept comments on any issues with this answer so that I may improve the answer to address the issues')" I posted such a comment as a result (after it had been removed from the post itself), and it's frustrating to see that it was removed. | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 14:59 | comment | added | mklement0 | As for the meta commentary in a post itself: Understood, and, as also confirmed by me in one of the removed comments, I'll stop doing it (though I personally disagree with this policy - to me, judicious use of such comments is preferable to using comments). | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 14:40 | history | edited | cigien | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 18, 2023 at 13:09 | history | answered | MachavityMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |