Timeline for Collectives Updates to the Community Bulletin in the Right Sidebar
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Sep 23, 2023 at 21:26 | comment | added | Syed M. Sannan | Again, it could be me just misunderstanding them, so please correct me if that's the case, but I just don't seem to get why any ad placement restrictions would impact the placement of this HNP section below [the new section] and not above it. Because tbh, I can accept having the companies prioritize their ads above that, but why get rid of it entirely? And secondly, there clearly is no disruption in the UI itself when we move the HNP section down from what I've tested and shown in the video. So really, what are their reasonings besides those two? | |
Sep 23, 2023 at 21:24 | comment | added | Syed M. Sannan | @starball Well, why would they not? I am sorry if I am not able to understand this properly but if there are any ad requirements regarding positioning the ads foremost, then I don't think that there should be a problem with whatever the site places below the ad. Would it? And in the design they proposed, they did in fact shift "related", and "linked" posts down, they just for whatever reason entirely removed the HNP section, while, from what it seems, there would be no interface disruption in simply moving that section below the new one. | |
Sep 23, 2023 at 18:14 | comment | added | starball | @SyedM.Sannan I'm assuming they mean they don't want to shift the "linked", "related", and "hot network posts" side content down. | |
Sep 23, 2023 at 17:56 | comment | added | Syed M. Sannan | @starball I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but by moving things in the source code, it have an impact on how it looks like. You may check my answer and the video included therein regarding this. Reordering elements in the sidebar, and adding new elements (A fancy looking block in this case), and reordering them in the frontend seems to have no negative effect. So I fail to understand what this "disruption" in the interface that Carog mentioned exactly is. | |
Sep 23, 2023 at 17:53 | comment | added | starball | @SyedM.Sannan I assumed the point was about moving things visually+positionally in the rendered page- not moving things in the source code. | |
Sep 23, 2023 at 14:52 | comment | added | Syed M. Sannan | @Carog This does not make any sense to me at all. I just opened the inspect element, made a copy of the current "Overflow Blog + Featured" section, and pasted it inside the same sidebar container. And guess what? wherever I put it inside there, it simply moves the component below it... right below it, and it moves itself right under the component that is above it in the code. So I don't understand how many components you would need to "move" to simply add a new block in there. It's not like everything in the container is absolutely positioned, is it? (I checked, it's not :P) | |
Sep 18, 2023 at 20:59 | comment | added | Feathercrown | @Carog Those comments make me feel much better about this, thank you. I appreciate your time spent responding here. | |
Sep 15, 2023 at 21:03 | comment | added | Carrott StaffMod | (4/4) Overall (and this is in response to other questions about methodology), I agree that this implementation is not sustainable if collectives were to scale significantly. The “final” behavior of the sidebar widgets (including this new one in the mix) is still to be determined. We want to experiment and learn quickly as much as we can in order to make the best decisions while balancing all the different goals. | |
Sep 15, 2023 at 21:02 | comment | added | Carrott StaffMod | (3/4) #2 We strongly considered running this experiment as an A/B test initially. There is a much smaller percentage of questions associated with a collective compared to all of Stack Overflow. Unfortunately, in order to get a proper sample size of users seeing both the base and experimental version of the same question page, the A/B test would have needed to run for a very long time (much more than 90 days). This method gets us answers much faster with the same development effort. | |
Sep 15, 2023 at 21:01 | comment | added | Carrott StaffMod | (2/4) #1 (continued) Each of those widgets have their own value, goals and metrics that we track. For this experiment, we decided to replace one widget instead of moving all of them. | |
Sep 15, 2023 at 21:01 | comment | added | Carrott StaffMod | (1/4) #1 Correct, our current agreements with advertisers prevents us from being able to substantially change the position of the ad. If we were to move the community bulletin below the ad, we would then be shifting down everything else below that. This would result in a disruption to even more widgets on the right sidebar including the community bulletin (it still would have a change of location), related/linked questions, hot network questions, related tags, etc. | |
Sep 15, 2023 at 4:08 | history | answered | starball | CC BY-SA 4.0 |