Timeline for Help me understand why this question is not focused enough
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Jul 19, 2023 at 12:54 | comment | added | Gimby | I wholly support the notion to just make it idiot proof. Either allow all questions or no questions. This wishy washy "some are allowed in and some aren't" is just chaos and an invitation for people to start creatively interpreting the site rules just to be able to nuke what they don't like from orbit. | |
Jul 18, 2023 at 0:01 | comment | added | Ken White | I specifically cited the kubernetes tag as a specific example of a tag that has some questions that are acceptable here and others that are not and should be asked at a different site (Server Fault). A very large percentage of questions using that tag today (and yesterday, and last week) violate the site guidelines, as indicated by that specific tag wiki description and the ALL CAPS note it contains. Gatekeeping (enforcing the guidelines by keeping off-topic questions away) is part of what keeps noise and clutter down here, and is necessary whether you agree or not. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 23:58 | comment | added | Ken White | @CodeCaster No, that's clearly not what I'm saying, and I made that clear. My whole commentary has been about your blanket assertion that existing questions on a tag automatically make all other questions related to that tag acceptable. My polnt is that they do not. Existence of a tag or previous question are meaningless. Guidelines evolve over time, and new sites are created (although not as frequently now). The only thing that matter are the guidelines on the specific date that a question is being asked. (continued) | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 21:31 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Ken I really don't care about this gatekeeping, and I don't agree with it. Are you saying all 400 k8s questions asked this month fulfill the criteria of the tag? There are so many tags saying one should NOT USE them. If it's somehow development-related, I won't close-vote as off-topic. I had a comment posted that I would go down the rabbit hole of the .htaccess tag and I now regret removing that comment and incorporating it in the answer. All of that distracts from the issue at hand though, where people are abusing their closevotes. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 20:36 | comment | added | Ken White | or directions to post to other sites under certain conditions (see the kubernetes tag wiki for one example where some questions are appropriate here and others belong at Server Fault). | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 20:35 | comment | added | Ken White | @CodeCaster: That's nonsense. Many tags exist for historical reasons, because highly upvoted historical questions were tagged with them. Consider all the computer hardware or OS questions that were asked before SU was created, for example. We don't delete the tags just because the new site was created - the questions stay here because they have a lot of links to them scattered around, and deleting them would invalidate all of those links. There are also many existing tags that start with DO NOT USE THIS TAG. Instead, use... (to be continued) | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 20:09 | comment | added | user17929112 | Or is this not really the issue? | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 20:09 | comment | added | user17929112 | If weather or not .htacces is on-topic is such a hot topic issue, then why is this posting getting so little action : meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/425615/… | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:59 | comment | added | user17929112 | I started a new topic just for this : meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/425615/… | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:50 | comment | added | user17929112 | So they should do away with the .htaccess tag if inappropriate here. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:46 | comment | added | BDL | @ihatzi: I have no clue how the solution to your problem looks like. In general, no, the fact that it could involve regex is not enough to make it a programming problem. But the policy for regex is very fuzzy. There are a lot of rep farmers (even with very high rep) on that tag who basically answer anything as if they are regex101 themselves. The only good reason (for me) that the regex tag exists is that you can blacklist all of these questions. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:46 | comment | added | Kevin B | regex is special, in a particularly unfortunate way. While it's relatively useless as a tag on it's own, and most questions related to regex are absurdly useless, regex, as it is typically used on SO, is being used in a programming-related way where as .htaccess is literally a config file. regex can also be used in a config file, but that doesn't make all cases of using regex off topic | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:43 | comment | added | user17929112 | @BDL, wouldn't this basically be a REGEX solution? Wouldn't that make it appropriate? RewriteRule's are generally REGEXs | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:43 | comment | added | Kevin B | there's more to it than that, it suggests viewing the apache wiki for on-topicness of questions. .htaccess is part of configuring httpd, and therefore isn't directly a programming question on it's own. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:42 | comment | added | user17929112 | Says " Use this tag if and only if .htaccess content is directly involved in the topic. We know many people are using .htaccess, but kindly ask the members of the community to not use this tag, unless you know it is on-topic in your question." I think this was the right place for it then, no? | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:41 | comment | added | BDL | @ihatzi: I consider .htaccess questions as off-topic for SO unless they directly involve writing some code and the problem is in the code part. Everything else is server configuration (and the task of a server admin, not a developer) and should be asked on ServerFault. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:40 | comment | added | Kevin B | eh, it depends. See the relevant tag wikis. stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/.htaccess stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/apache | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:39 | comment | added | user17929112 | Are .htaccess questions not supposed to be posted on SO? | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:38 | comment | added | BDL | Agree that it is closed for the wrong reason. Disagree that it is on-topic on SO. If we apply this standard for "tools commonly used by programmers", then word, powerpoint and SAP questions are also on topic. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:36 | comment | added | user17929112 | Downvotes really suck when starting out on this site. Makes it really hard to get any traction at all. Not to mention find answers to your questions. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:35 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @ihatzi me when I'm getting downvoted: thumbs.gfycat.com/… | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:32 | comment | added | user17929112 | @CodeCaster Sorry for dragging you into this, you keep getting -1's too now. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:27 | history | edited | CodeCaster | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 17, 2023 at 19:26 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @ihatzi no, I do not like the RegEx tag for multiple reasons. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:25 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Ken we either accept such questions or we don't, we've been in limbo for a decade already. I find the arbitrary distinction extremely annoying and unproductive, but if someone wants .htaccess questions gone to either of those sites, ban the tag already. Then still, using the wrong close-vote should be a suspendable offense. Even if the close-voters believed .htaccess to be off-topic, they should say so and not pick a random reason. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:16 | comment | added | user17929112 | Don't like REGEX? | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:14 | comment | added | Ken White | Note that the existence of previous similar questions are meaningless, as many of them were asked before other sites were created. For instance, Apache configuration questions may be more suitable now for Webmasters or Server Fault than SO. Not saying that's necessarily the case here, but justifying asking a question based on the fact others like it have been asked before is invalid logic. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:12 | comment | added | CodeCaster | "Not to mention that this also involves REGEX" - my bad, in that case I support it being obliterated. | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:11 | comment | added | user17929112 | Not to mention that this also involves REGEX | |
Jul 17, 2023 at 19:09 | history | edited | CodeCaster | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 17, 2023 at 19:07 | history | answered | CodeCaster | CC BY-SA 4.0 |