Timeline for We are seeking functional feedback for the formatting assistant
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Jun 23, 2023 at 19:25 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | "We realize from your responses..." It's probably worthwhile to note that the responses are absolutely agreeing with each other. You really didn't check this product before for yourself, right? | |
Jun 20, 2023 at 21:26 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | That's correct, @ΞένηΓήινος. It is offline now, so you can no longer test it. You can relive the experience by reading the very thorough answers below. | |
Jun 19, 2023 at 14:53 | history | edited | Henry EckerMod |
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Jun 18, 2023 at 13:44 | comment | added | Ξένη Γήινος | What? The question formatting assistant is offline now? I wasn't able to test its limits. After seeing the answers to this question I wanted to see how bad it can be, but now I don't have a chance. | |
Jun 18, 2023 at 7:48 | history | edited | Yaakov EllisStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 17, 2023 at 18:27 | answer | added | Franck Dernoncourt | timeline score: 5 | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:19 | answer | added | Franck Dernoncourt | timeline score: 4 | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:11 | answer | added | Franck Dernoncourt | timeline score: 3 | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:01 | answer | added | Franck Dernoncourt | timeline score: 12 | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 9:09 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @RyanM-Regenerateresponse In all seriousness; I mostly found this particular instance of deleting the comment, to be rather funny. I seem to have misestimated how my comment would be interpreted. | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 8:45 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @RyanM-Regenerateresponse I cannot see deleted comments, so I need to go by my memory. Perhaps if the site allowed me to see the deleted comments, I would be able to re-evaluate. Also, giving short feedback in comments is fine; it doesn’t have to be put into answers. I declined to move it to an answer, and elaborate, because I’m on strike. I gave the company minimal feedback, to point out something obvious they seemed to have missed. Now, when they actually pushed this through to this point, I was too shocked to continue my Meta strike in this instance. It was also too related to the strike. | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 7:43 | comment | added | starball | It seems strange to use something non-deterministic for editing. When I go editing peoples' things, I don't generally do different things based on my mood or the time of day. | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 5:16 | comment | added | MDoubleDash | Given the current environment, there are some snarky comments, but all in all, the actual feedback was overwhelmingly negative. Kudos to Emerson for coming here, communicating and soliciting feedback, and then taking action accordingly (turning the feature testing off). Cheers. | |
Jun 17, 2023 at 2:37 | comment | added | Ryan M Mod | @AndreasdetestsAIhype "I made a comment about that on the previous post, but staff decided to delete it." As written, this is a bit misleading. A staff member asked you to post your comment as an answer instead so that it could be discussed (the same request was made of others as well). When you declined, the comment was deleted. I probably wouldn't have deleted it myself, but there's no evidence that they were trying to suppress people pointing that out, as the phrasing implies. There are enough bad actions coming out of the company without any need to exaggerate. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:31 | answer | added | cottontail | timeline score: 6 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:17 | history | edited | MachavityMod |
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Jun 16, 2023 at 19:17 | comment | added | doppelgreener | @Emerson Thank you for responding to our feedback. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:46 | answer | added | Chris | timeline score: 49 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:26 | answer | added | Mark | timeline score: 21 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:26 | history | edited | V2BlastStaff | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 16, 2023 at 18:25 | history | edited | EmersonStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 16, 2023 at 17:40 | comment | added | Mark | @nvoigt, the point of letting us test this is that we can be far more creative at trying to break it than the development team. I mean, who would have thought of trying to get a formatting assistant to play a game of chess? | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:50 | answer | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | timeline score: 20 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:48 | answer | added | The Empty String Photographer | timeline score: 17 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:45 | comment | added | vbnet3d | @AndreasdetestsAIhype well yes, I guess I just expected it to be a little more subtle and measured instead of a big middle finger to the community | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:43 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @vbnet3d Yes. Don’t you read the blog? It’s been obvious for 2 months that they were gonna try to squeeze some stupid AI thing into SO. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:24 | comment | added | vbnet3d | So... the sudden change of direction on moderation of ChatGPT content was because you want to push for ChatGPT content on the platform? | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:24 | comment | added | PLL | @CodyGray-onstrike : Absolutely — it’s a laughably bad proposed feature, but this thread is better upfront communication from the company than most anything in the last couple of years. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:14 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Props to Emerson for actually coming here and communicating with us, especially on an unpopular feature! This is what we want staff to do. The downvotes and the criticism are definitely nothing personal. Let's keep it that way, by focusing on the tool being discussed, rather than on the person who happens to post about it. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:04 | history | edited | bad_coder | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 16, 2023 at 14:58 | comment | added | bad_coder | Every example I've seen of the formatting assistant makes the posts worst. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:33 | comment | added | Lundin | @EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine It's the latest buzzword: HDD, Hallucination-Driven Development. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:28 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @Lundin First they forbid us from removing AI-generated content, and now they're presenting it to us as a feature? I don't even know how to respond to this. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:24 | comment | added | Lundin | @EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine If it is a joke, it was a great one. If it's not a joke, it's even funnier! Either way I think this will end up on the meme list. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:18 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | In light of everything that's going on now, is this some kind of joke? I almost feel like we're being trolled here. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:16 | comment | added | Lundin | Instead of asking humans for feedback, we could just ask the formatting assistant itself. Straight from the horse's mouth. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:10 | comment | added | markalex | @MMM, to be fair: one sh*tty AI idea (about regeneration of titles) was canceled. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:55 | comment | added | Welbog |
Back in my day we clearly labeled joke posts with always-friday-in-iceland , otherwise someone might take this post seriously.
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Jun 16, 2023 at 13:49 | comment | added | Charlieface | Somebody please confirm this an April Fools... | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:25 | comment | added | MMM | So let me guess, we're all going to tell you that the feature is bad, that it doesn't work, nobody wants this, etc. and then eventually you will implement the feature unchanged, claiming you've listened to our feedback. Just like last time. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:51 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @AbdulAzizBarkat It is from OpenAI; I got this response: «I'm sorry, but I cannot complete this task as it violates the ethical policies of OpenAI and is inappropriate for Stack Overflow.» Well, it’s not proof, but I consider it a strong sign. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:28 | answer | added | Stephen OstermillerMod | timeline score: 19 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:04 | answer | added | francescalus | timeline score: 21 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:00 | comment | added | Bart | I have to admit, I haven't laughed this much on this site in a long time. Surely you tried to put this through rigorous tests yourself before even attempting to make this public? What went wrong there? | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:53 | comment | added | Lundin | I'm actually trying to make it generate suggestions for spam posts right now, disguising them as legit questions but including a provided fishy URL. It is perfectly happy to do so and quite good at it. We're talking about the next generation of spamming here, perfect for moderator strikes. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:11 | comment | added | Lundin | Actually, sorry for being so negative about this tool, it is awesome. Never underestimate the Power of Unicorns when asking a question. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:08 | comment | added | Abdul Aziz Barkat | @CodeCaster agreed, although the main point over there is not even prompt injection. The problem that technique is solving is that the model largely tends to ignore the system message compared to the user message. The current prompt probably does try to avoid many of the issues highlighted below but the model is probably ignoring those. Hence having the with the guidance for formatting last would probably improve things quite a lot. Although this is besides the point that there might obviously be better solutions than LLMs for this particular problem SE is trying to solve. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:03 | comment | added | CodeCaster | @Abdul that's called a game of walls and ladders. Build bigger walls? Get taller ladders. devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120117-00/?p=8523 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 10:58 | comment | added | Abdul Aziz Barkat | If the model used here is really from OpenAI here's a technique that might help you solve some problems: Fake the conversation history so it looks to the assistant as if it has already replied to the question body and then ask the AI to format it. Somewhat like this: System Message: "Generic setting up of the context here" User Message: "Question body" Assistant message: "Some generic response like OK" User Message: "Format my previous message with the following guidelines: ..." This will make it so that the user cannot (easily) bias the AI model with their message. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 10:40 | answer | added | user9517 | timeline score: 28 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 10:10 | comment | added | Mast | Related: Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 9:02 | answer | added | SPArcheon - on strike | timeline score: 62 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 8:56 | answer | added | nvoigt | timeline score: 31 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 8:53 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 10 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 8:41 | answer | added | Lundin | timeline score: 80 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 7:34 | answer | added | Karl Knechtel | timeline score: 12 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 6:51 | answer | added | Tinkeringbell | timeline score: 13 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 6:29 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 15 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 6:00 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 21 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 5:37 | answer | added | Zoe - Save the data dumpMod | timeline score: 31 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 5:27 | comment | added | David Roberts | And, given how well this is going, what lessons are to be learned for the AI title assistant idea? | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 4:59 | answer | added | lyxal | timeline score: 62 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 4:21 | comment | added | tripleee | Given the feedback so far, how long does it make sense to run this experiment? I think it's fair to conclude that it's too brittle to be usable in its current form already. (Though I appreciate the opportunity to get to play with it.) | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 4:01 | comment | added | Laurel | @TylerH Here is your answer: "There is no universal answer to this question. It depends on the style guide or personal preference. However, most style guides agree that consistency is key, and whatever spacing you choose, it should be used throughout the codebase." (But I saw it use 3 spaces for some Python code.) | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 3:47 | history | edited | Henry EckerMod |
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Jun 16, 2023 at 3:04 | answer | added | cocomac | timeline score: 12 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 2:26 | answer | added | Laurel | timeline score: 42 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 2:07 | answer | added | AndyMod | timeline score: 11 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:54 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 21 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:33 | answer | added | Chris | timeline score: 38 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:23 | comment | added | Ryan M Mod | @TylerH Stochastically. | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:15 | answer | added | Chris | timeline score: 141 | |
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:05 | comment | added | starball | related on MSE: Is the cost of ChatGPT integration into Stack Exchange sustainable? | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:24 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 12 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:21 | answer | added | Chindraba | timeline score: 41 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:04 | answer | added | Bryan Krause | timeline score: 47 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:01 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @TylerH Same reason why it changes «colour» to «color» in all my posts. It prefers the more common form. | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:59 | comment | added | TylerH | How does the editor determine whether to use 4 space indentation or 2? | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:51 | answer | added | CPlus | timeline score: 43 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:41 | answer | added | Andreas condemns Israel | timeline score: 39 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:36 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 13 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:16 | answer | added | Andreas condemns Israel | timeline score: 19 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:53 | comment | added | Ian Campbell | This has to be my favorite Meta Q&A in a long time. I expect it's not for the reason Emerson was hoping though... | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:45 | answer | added | starball | timeline score: 13 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:45 | answer | added | ACuriousMind | timeline score: 90 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:44 | answer | added | CodeCaster | timeline score: 61 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:39 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | Looking at the answers. This feature is beyond improvement. Just cut your loses and forget about it. | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:37 | comment | added | starball | Why are you spending money on the ChatGPT API when most languages have open source source-code formatter software? | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:27 | history | edited | V2BlastStaff | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 15, 2023 at 21:20 | answer | added | Ryan MMod | timeline score: 47 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:19 | comment | added | Caleb | I knew I should be ignoring answers to questions posted after 2023Q1. Now I know to ignore questions and edits dated 2023Q2 or later. Thanks for the heads up. | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:59 | answer | added | Andreas condemns Israel | timeline score: 13 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:49 | answer | added | Andreas condemns Israel | timeline score: 45 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:45 | answer | added | Mad Scientist | timeline score: 47 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:44 | answer | added | Kevin B | timeline score: 138 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:42 | answer | added | ACuriousMind | timeline score: 199 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:36 | answer | added | Ryan MMod | timeline score: 22 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:33 | answer | added | Ryan MMod | timeline score: 271 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:21 | answer | added | markalex | timeline score: 81 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:16 | answer | added | khelwood | timeline score: 192 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:03 | comment | added | khelwood | So if someone's posting a block of erroring code, and the AI suggests modifications to the code, which the OP accepts, we're going to end up with questions whose code does not reproduce the errors they are asking about. | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:53 | answer | added | Kevin B | timeline score: 54 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:50 | comment | added | Nick is tired | From the one question I tested it on (one of my old ones with a bit of formatting removed), gotta say... actually seriously impressed with what it spat out: i.sstatic.net/OmEic.png | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:41 | answer | added | Kevin B | timeline score: 25 | |
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:37 | history | asked | EmersonStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |