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Jun 23, 2023 at 19:25 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution "We realize from your responses..." It's probably worthwhile to note that the responses are absolutely agreeing with each other. You really didn't check this product before for yourself, right?
Jun 20, 2023 at 21:26 comment added Cody Gray Mod That's correct, @ΞένηΓήινος. It is offline now, so you can no longer test it. You can relive the experience by reading the very thorough answers below.
Jun 19, 2023 at 14:53 history edited Henry EckerMod
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Jun 18, 2023 at 13:44 comment added Ξένη Γήινος What? The question formatting assistant is offline now? I wasn't able to test its limits. After seeing the answers to this question I wanted to see how bad it can be, but now I don't have a chance.
Jun 18, 2023 at 7:48 history edited Yaakov EllisStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0
update: experiment is off
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:27 answer added Franck Dernoncourt timeline score: 5
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:19 answer added Franck Dernoncourt timeline score: 4
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:11 answer added Franck Dernoncourt timeline score: 3
Jun 17, 2023 at 18:01 answer added Franck Dernoncourt timeline score: 12
Jun 17, 2023 at 9:09 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @RyanM-Regenerateresponse In all seriousness; I mostly found this particular instance of deleting the comment, to be rather funny. I seem to have misestimated how my comment would be interpreted.
Jun 17, 2023 at 8:45 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @RyanM-Regenerateresponse I cannot see deleted comments, so I need to go by my memory. Perhaps if the site allowed me to see the deleted comments, I would be able to re-evaluate. Also, giving short feedback in comments is fine; it doesn’t have to be put into answers. I declined to move it to an answer, and elaborate, because I’m on strike. I gave the company minimal feedback, to point out something obvious they seemed to have missed. Now, when they actually pushed this through to this point, I was too shocked to continue my Meta strike in this instance. It was also too related to the strike.
Jun 17, 2023 at 7:43 comment added starball It seems strange to use something non-deterministic for editing. When I go editing peoples' things, I don't generally do different things based on my mood or the time of day.
Jun 17, 2023 at 5:16 comment added MDoubleDash Given the current environment, there are some snarky comments, but all in all, the actual feedback was overwhelmingly negative. Kudos to Emerson for coming here, communicating and soliciting feedback, and then taking action accordingly (turning the feature testing off). Cheers.
Jun 17, 2023 at 2:37 comment added Ryan M Mod @AndreasdetestsAIhype "I made a comment about that on the previous post, but staff decided to delete it." As written, this is a bit misleading. A staff member asked you to post your comment as an answer instead so that it could be discussed (the same request was made of others as well). When you declined, the comment was deleted. I probably wouldn't have deleted it myself, but there's no evidence that they were trying to suppress people pointing that out, as the phrasing implies. There are enough bad actions coming out of the company without any need to exaggerate.
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:31 answer added cottontail timeline score: 6
Jun 16, 2023 at 19:17 history edited MachavityMod
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Jun 16, 2023 at 19:17 comment added doppelgreener @Emerson Thank you for responding to our feedback.
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:46 answer added Chris timeline score: 49
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:26 answer added Mark timeline score: 21
Jun 16, 2023 at 18:26 history edited V2BlastStaff CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 16, 2023 at 18:25 history edited EmersonStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 16, 2023 at 17:40 comment added Mark @nvoigt, the point of letting us test this is that we can be far more creative at trying to break it than the development team. I mean, who would have thought of trying to get a formatting assistant to play a game of chess?
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:50 answer added EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine timeline score: 20
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:48 answer added The Empty String Photographer timeline score: 17
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:45 comment added vbnet3d @AndreasdetestsAIhype well yes, I guess I just expected it to be a little more subtle and measured instead of a big middle finger to the community
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:43 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @vbnet3d Yes. Don’t you read the blog? It’s been obvious for 2 months that they were gonna try to squeeze some stupid AI thing into SO.
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:24 comment added vbnet3d So... the sudden change of direction on moderation of ChatGPT content was because you want to push for ChatGPT content on the platform?
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:24 comment added PLL @CodyGray-onstrike : Absolutely — it’s a laughably bad proposed feature, but this thread is better upfront communication from the company than most anything in the last couple of years.
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:14 comment added Cody Gray Mod Props to Emerson for actually coming here and communicating with us, especially on an unpopular feature! This is what we want staff to do. The downvotes and the criticism are definitely nothing personal. Let's keep it that way, by focusing on the tool being discussed, rather than on the person who happens to post about it.
Jun 16, 2023 at 15:04 history edited bad_coder CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 16, 2023 at 14:58 comment added bad_coder Every example I've seen of the formatting assistant makes the posts worst.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:33 comment added Lundin @EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine It's the latest buzzword: HDD, Hallucination-Driven Development.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:28 comment added EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine @Lundin First they forbid us from removing AI-generated content, and now they're presenting it to us as a feature? I don't even know how to respond to this.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:24 comment added Lundin @EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine If it is a joke, it was a great one. If it's not a joke, it's even funnier! Either way I think this will end up on the meme list.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:18 comment added EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine In light of everything that's going on now, is this some kind of joke? I almost feel like we're being trolled here.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:16 comment added Lundin Instead of asking humans for feedback, we could just ask the formatting assistant itself. Straight from the horse's mouth.
Jun 16, 2023 at 14:10 comment added markalex @MMM, to be fair: one sh*tty AI idea (about regeneration of titles) was canceled.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:55 comment added Welbog Back in my day we clearly labeled joke posts with always-friday-in-iceland, otherwise someone might take this post seriously.
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:49 comment added Charlieface Somebody please confirm this an April Fools...
Jun 16, 2023 at 13:25 comment added MMM So let me guess, we're all going to tell you that the feature is bad, that it doesn't work, nobody wants this, etc. and then eventually you will implement the feature unchanged, claiming you've listened to our feedback. Just like last time.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:51 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @AbdulAzizBarkat It is from OpenAI; I got this response: «I'm sorry, but I cannot complete this task as it violates the ethical policies of OpenAI and is inappropriate for Stack Overflow.» Well, it’s not proof, but I consider it a strong sign.
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:28 answer added Stephen OstermillerMod timeline score: 19
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:04 answer added francescalus timeline score: 21
Jun 16, 2023 at 12:00 comment added Bart I have to admit, I haven't laughed this much on this site in a long time. Surely you tried to put this through rigorous tests yourself before even attempting to make this public? What went wrong there?
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:53 comment added Lundin I'm actually trying to make it generate suggestions for spam posts right now, disguising them as legit questions but including a provided fishy URL. It is perfectly happy to do so and quite good at it. We're talking about the next generation of spamming here, perfect for moderator strikes.
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:11 comment added Lundin Actually, sorry for being so negative about this tool, it is awesome. Never underestimate the Power of Unicorns when asking a question.
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:08 comment added Abdul Aziz Barkat @CodeCaster agreed, although the main point over there is not even prompt injection. The problem that technique is solving is that the model largely tends to ignore the system message compared to the user message. The current prompt probably does try to avoid many of the issues highlighted below but the model is probably ignoring those. Hence having the with the guidance for formatting last would probably improve things quite a lot. Although this is besides the point that there might obviously be better solutions than LLMs for this particular problem SE is trying to solve.
Jun 16, 2023 at 11:03 comment added CodeCaster @Abdul that's called a game of walls and ladders. Build bigger walls? Get taller ladders. devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120117-00/?p=8523
Jun 16, 2023 at 10:58 comment added Abdul Aziz Barkat If the model used here is really from OpenAI here's a technique that might help you solve some problems: Fake the conversation history so it looks to the assistant as if it has already replied to the question body and then ask the AI to format it. Somewhat like this: System Message: "Generic setting up of the context here" User Message: "Question body" Assistant message: "Some generic response like OK" User Message: "Format my previous message with the following guidelines: ..." This will make it so that the user cannot (easily) bias the AI model with their message.
Jun 16, 2023 at 10:40 answer added user9517 timeline score: 28
Jun 16, 2023 at 10:10 comment added Mast Related: Temporary policy: ChatGPT is banned
Jun 16, 2023 at 9:02 answer added SPArcheon - on strike timeline score: 62
Jun 16, 2023 at 8:56 answer added nvoigt timeline score: 31
Jun 16, 2023 at 8:53 answer added starball timeline score: 10
Jun 16, 2023 at 8:41 answer added Lundin timeline score: 80
Jun 16, 2023 at 7:34 answer added Karl Knechtel timeline score: 12
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Jun 16, 2023 at 6:29 answer added starball timeline score: 15
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Jun 16, 2023 at 5:37 answer added Zoe - Save the data dumpMod timeline score: 31
Jun 16, 2023 at 5:27 comment added David Roberts And, given how well this is going, what lessons are to be learned for the AI title assistant idea?
Jun 16, 2023 at 4:59 answer added lyxal timeline score: 62
Jun 16, 2023 at 4:21 comment added tripleee Given the feedback so far, how long does it make sense to run this experiment? I think it's fair to conclude that it's too brittle to be usable in its current form already. (Though I appreciate the opportunity to get to play with it.)
Jun 16, 2023 at 4:01 comment added Laurel @TylerH Here is your answer: "There is no universal answer to this question. It depends on the style guide or personal preference. However, most style guides agree that consistency is key, and whatever spacing you choose, it should be used throughout the codebase." (But I saw it use 3 spaces for some Python code.)
Jun 16, 2023 at 3:47 history edited Henry EckerMod
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Jun 16, 2023 at 3:04 answer added cocomac timeline score: 12
Jun 16, 2023 at 2:26 answer added Laurel timeline score: 42
Jun 16, 2023 at 2:07 answer added AndyMod timeline score: 11
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:54 answer added starball timeline score: 21
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:33 answer added Chris timeline score: 38
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:23 comment added Ryan M Mod @TylerH Stochastically.
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:15 answer added Chris timeline score: 141
Jun 16, 2023 at 1:05 comment added starball related on MSE: Is the cost of ChatGPT integration into Stack Exchange sustainable?
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:24 answer added starball timeline score: 12
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:21 answer added Chindraba timeline score: 41
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:04 answer added Bryan Krause timeline score: 47
Jun 15, 2023 at 23:01 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @TylerH Same reason why it changes «colour» to «color» in all my posts. It prefers the more common form.
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:59 comment added TylerH How does the editor determine whether to use 4 space indentation or 2?
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:51 answer added CPlus timeline score: 43
Jun 15, 2023 at 22:41 answer added Andreas condemns Israel timeline score: 39
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Jun 15, 2023 at 21:53 comment added Ian Campbell This has to be my favorite Meta Q&A in a long time. I expect it's not for the reason Emerson was hoping though...
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:45 answer added starball timeline score: 13
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:45 answer added ACuriousMind timeline score: 90
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:44 answer added CodeCaster timeline score: 61
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:39 comment added Dalija Prasnikar Mod Looking at the answers. This feature is beyond improvement. Just cut your loses and forget about it.
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:37 comment added starball Why are you spending money on the ChatGPT API when most languages have open source source-code formatter software?
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:27 history edited V2BlastStaff CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 15, 2023 at 21:20 answer added Ryan MMod timeline score: 47
Jun 15, 2023 at 21:19 comment added Caleb I knew I should be ignoring answers to questions posted after 2023Q1. Now I know to ignore questions and edits dated 2023Q2 or later. Thanks for the heads up.
Jun 15, 2023 at 20:59 answer added Andreas condemns Israel timeline score: 13
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Jun 15, 2023 at 20:44 answer added Kevin B timeline score: 138
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Jun 15, 2023 at 20:36 answer added Ryan MMod timeline score: 22
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Jun 15, 2023 at 20:21 answer added markalex timeline score: 81
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Jun 15, 2023 at 20:03 comment added khelwood So if someone's posting a block of erroring code, and the AI suggests modifications to the code, which the OP accepts, we're going to end up with questions whose code does not reproduce the errors they are asking about.
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:53 answer added Kevin B timeline score: 54
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:50 comment added Nick is tired From the one question I tested it on (one of my old ones with a bit of formatting removed), gotta say... actually seriously impressed with what it spat out: i.sstatic.net/OmEic.png
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:41 answer added Kevin B timeline score: 25
Jun 15, 2023 at 19:37 history asked EmersonStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0