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Jun 28, 2023 at 15:41 comment added Steve Rindsberg @MatijaNalis And if you want to see how well THAT works out, look at MS Answers. I don't think they've turned AI loose as a moderator there but it can't be far off.
Jun 25, 2023 at 16:14 comment added Matija Nalis "[...] they might want to add up the cost of either not having moderators (rapid descent into a cesspool) or having to pay people to do it (expensive, and the results won't be nearly so good)." - oooor, they might put up an AI to moderate content. :(
Jun 9, 2023 at 14:36 comment added markalex @BrockBrown, 1. mods don't delete "straight up incorrect answers", regardless of their origin. Such answers are subject for downvoting, and can be deleted bu users (vote to delete, >20k reputation), but are not subject for flagging/moderation. 2. I believe mods can act on post regarding other policies, for example spam or very low quality. But most chatGPT answers are not suitable for this: they have reasonable quality, while might contain incorrect information. Using "incorrect" deletion reasons (like VLQ or plagiarism) is said to be privately prohibited by SE.
Jun 6, 2023 at 15:26 comment added Cerbrus From what I understood, they can't use AI, or even suspicious of it being AI-generated as deletion reasons any more. An answer being "wrong" has never really been a deletion reason, just one to downvote.
Jun 6, 2023 at 15:05 comment added Brock Brown @Cerbrus Hold on, just to clarify, this is even if the answer suspected to be AI generated is straight up incorrect, not just poor quality? My thought was the same as Mr. Boy's, if that's true, that is incredibly backwards.
Jun 6, 2023 at 10:29 comment added Cerbrus @Mr.Boy Private instructions the mods received explicitly forbid that kind of workaround...
Jun 6, 2023 at 9:38 comment added Mr. Boy @CodyGray-onstrike I'm still not sure how this rule prevents moderators "moderating their sites and otherwise maintaining quality content?" If a user posts a poor answer, you have a tool for that. If they do so systematically, you have tools for that. You can't use "probably GPT" as a reason but you can still use "it's crap". What material difference does it make?
Jun 5, 2023 at 9:08 comment added Cody Gray Mod Wethe community who has contributed the content and moderation and everything else that makes these sites what they are – are a key stakeholder in these Q&A sites. We were not consulted. Demanding to be consulted, respected, and treated like the stakeholders that we are is exactly what the strike is about.
Jun 4, 2023 at 12:23 comment added user16612111 It would be best if you complied, no policy comes out of a company without being discussed in some board room by all stakeholders involved.
Jun 3, 2023 at 8:43 comment added T.J. Crowder I absolutely get their point about the detectors being (very) unreliable, but FFS, talk with the moderators about it rather than dropping a restrictive policy from on high. Moderators are the front line! And if SE, Inc is looking at the bottom line, they might want to add up the cost of either not having moderators (rapid descent into a cesspool) or having to pay people to do it (expensive, and the results won't be nearly so good). Sending all of you mods good thoughts. 🙏
Jun 2, 2023 at 19:58 comment added user4581301 There were a few questions I called out as looking like they were Markov chains years ago before being asked not to since they were more likely just very poorly written or the output of a translator. This is a similar problem. In the end I think it'll come down to the same solution. Downvote the bad content and wait for the server to ban the poster. Just pray that it doesn't fool enough people to start collecting upvotes. The only thing SO really has going for it is reviewed information. If that breaks down, the site's dead.
Jun 2, 2023 at 10:17 comment added Cody Gray Mod The difference for me, @Mason, is that, as terrible as the company's decisions were back in 2019, they didn't do anything that prevented moderators or the community as a group from moderating their sites and otherwise maintaining quality content. (They prevented one specific mod from doing that, while also launching a public smear campaign against her, not unlike the current ongoing smear campaign on MSE that we're a bunch of blundering fools who have been misidentifying posts as GPT-generated and issuing biased suspensions, but that's not the same thing as stopping us from using mod tools.)
Jun 1, 2023 at 19:03 comment added user4581301 Eternal September is a really hard problem to solve. When you get a flood of folks who do not give a <expletive deleted> about the site goals and just want their instant gratification, you really don't have a lot of options. Unfortunately the profit motive almost certainly means the wrong option from that limited pool will be chosen.
Jun 1, 2023 at 18:56 comment added Peter Mortensen @Mason Wheeler: Yes, it was extremely well designed, but they forgot to take the Eternal September event into account. It should be taken into account from the very beginning when someone designs the successor (as it is very hard to change after the fact).
Jun 1, 2023 at 18:16 comment added Mason Wheeler "Many of us are wondering right now, more than ever, why we bother." Yeah, a lot of us have been wondering about stuff like that since 2019. Some have been wondering since about 2012 or so. It really feels sometimes like Joel set out to make StackExchange as "Experts-Exchange without the evil" and succeeded for about three years...
Jun 1, 2023 at 7:02 comment added user16612111 Looks like am not the only one fighting with the moderators. The Stack Exchange staff also oppose some of their actions. Way to go SO.
Jun 1, 2023 at 4:03 comment added Cody Gray Mod So it was you, @starball!! ;-) But yeah, sarcasm aside, the most critical, fundamental, impactful, and, unfortunately, underestimated content-moderation/curation tool (i.e., the downvote) is still allowed and we have no indications that its days are numbered.
Jun 1, 2023 at 4:03 comment added Cody Gray Mod Thanks, @takendarkk. The stress level is... off the charts. I really don't know how we mods continue the way we do, either. Many of us are wondering right now, more than ever, why we bother. Hearing from users like you, who appreciate what we're doing, is actually quite meaningful, since you're the ones we're doing it for. Thank you for commenting. (Yeah, yeah, normally "thank you" comments are unwelcome, but this is Meta.)
Jun 1, 2023 at 1:10 comment added user4581301 "It is my sad duty to inform you that as of Six A.M. this morning we are formally at war with the Kilrathi. God help us all."
May 31, 2023 at 22:51 comment added takendarkk I feel stressed about it as a casual outside observer - I really don't know how you mods continue the way you do. You have my thanks, FWIW.
May 31, 2023 at 21:27 comment added starball at least we can still downvote :')
May 31, 2023 at 19:17 comment added Ian Kemp I've been eating popcorn since "Be Nice" became official policy. It was the very obvious beginning of a very slippery slope that we're now starting to see the end of.
May 31, 2023 at 9:04 vote accept markalex
May 31, 2023 at 9:00 comment added CodeCaster All hail our AI overlords. Investment decisions are made by AI, which result in C-level E's being assigned by AI, who make their policies based on AI, who now start writing day-to-day operations based on what the AI says. It won't be long before you have to check [ ] Beep boop. I am a robot before you can post your answer, optionally followed by a mild P=NP test.
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