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Update: The discussion here led to the following feature request.


When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

    • Even those who know about the 'Follow' feature may not want to use it, because, as Ryan M points out in the comments, "the 'Follow' button produces an absolute torrent of notifications when you want one. It's not a very good solution to this problem."

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.

When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

    • Even those who know about the 'Follow' feature may not want to use it, because, as Ryan M points out in the comments, "the 'Follow' button produces an absolute torrent of notifications when you want one. It's not a very good solution to this problem."

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.

Update: The discussion here led to the following feature request.


When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

    • Even those who know about the 'Follow' feature may not want to use it, because, as Ryan M points out in the comments, "the 'Follow' button produces an absolute torrent of notifications when you want one. It's not a very good solution to this problem."

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.
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When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


  

To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

    • Even those who know about the 'Follow' feature may not want to use it, because, as Ryan M points out in the comments, "the 'Follow' button produces an absolute torrent of notifications when you want one. It's not a very good solution to this problem."

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.

When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


 

To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.

When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.

 

To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

    • Even those who know about the 'Follow' feature may not want to use it, because, as Ryan M points out in the comments, "the 'Follow' button produces an absolute torrent of notifications when you want one. It's not a very good solution to this problem."

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.
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When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.

When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

When askers provide feedback / ask for clarification on an answer of mine, and it warrants a response of general interest (as opposed to an incidental, ephemeral response), I respond by updating my answer rather than in a comment - I think this the preferable way to handle that.

Because I don't want to repeat the response in a comment, I usually just say, "@{user}, please see my update.", with no or little more context.

While such a comment is obviously of a transient nature, it is vital that the asker see it before it gets removed.

If it gets removed prematurely, everyone loses:

  • The asker never learns of the update and may not get their problem solved.

  • Future readers see only the asker's outdated comment which no longer matches the answer, amounting to a confusing distraction.

Anecdotally, I've seen many of my "Please see my update" comments disappear not long after posting, before the asker has had a chance to see them.

I don't know the cause:

  • (a) "No longer needed" flaggers, with moderators obliging due to lack of context?
  • (b) Some automated mechanism?

If (a), I suggest abstaining from flagging such comments unless either a reasonably long time has passed or you've personally verified that the recipient has seen the comment (as can be guessed from whether they've visited the site since).

If (b), I suggest either making the mechanism smart enough to not delete until either some time after the recipient has read the comment notification or not until a reasonably long time has passed, say two weeks.


To address the comment suggesting explicit opt-in via following an answer:

  • As a commenter - especially an inexperienced one - it is reasonable to expect to be notified automatically.

    • Even experienced users have a reasonable expectation of @-addressed comments reaching them.

    • Inexperienced user may not even know of the option to follow a post.

  • In other words:

    • Don't put the burden of an additional, non-obvious step which shouldn't be necessary on someone who has already posted a comment with the implicit and reasonable expectation to be notified of reply comments.

    • The net effect of doing so makes the two problems described above persist.

In short:

  • Prematurely removing @-addressed comments amounts to inappropriate interference with the notification system - to everyone's detriment.
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