Timeline for (UPDATED 2023 May 8) - Changes to the Census badge
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May 8, 2023 at 7:41 | comment | added | starball | for future surveys, you could also downgrade the info in the published result set. Ex. instead of showing info by response, show info by question and scramble the order of responses to the question. Observers with that data would no longer be able to correlate responses to different questions to the same user (I think). There's good and bad to that. | |
May 5, 2023 at 15:53 | comment | added | Makoto | First, this is enlightening. I can now at least understand why this decision makes more sense. However, I'm still pretty annoyed at it. I opted in to receiving the badge for my participation. Stack Overflow still gets to keep my data, but I don't keep the badge I got from them. I feel like I'm being penalized for their poor data stewardship. | |
May 5, 2023 at 14:20 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | @bad_coder It depends a great deal on a number of factors. My understanding is it's possible to only narrow it down in some cases, while in others you can get it to the user level. The more data points can be lined up, the easier it is. | |
May 5, 2023 at 13:44 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | @KarlKnechtel The bell can't be un-rung (deleting things from the Internet is hard), but it's only been in the past few years that people have realized de-anonymization is possible. As to why SO made the full data sets public, the SO Blog from 2021 explains why. Mostly they're letting other people glean patterns of data they didn't look for themselves. I mean, SO has always made lots of data about the network available | |
May 5, 2023 at 10:59 | comment | added | EvgenKo423 | That's why the badge wasn't awarded automatically and had to be accepted. To those who care the choice was already given. | |
May 5, 2023 at 8:42 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | Well, one could come to a conclusion that the barrier to entry is different based on the user's gender, skin colour, sexual orientation, etc, but then we must also accept the premise that our genders, for instance, naturally make us different in the way we perceive the world, think, etc. A slippery slope, perhaps. | |
May 5, 2023 at 8:39 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @DalijaPrasnikar Yes, definitely, I do get your point, and I've scratched my head at many of those questions, myself. I've found them severely irrelevant, or completely devoid of context needed to correctly assess their answers. | |
May 5, 2023 at 8:37 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @Andreasdetestscensorship I am not saying that some users may not discriminate others based on some traits or that some users won't perceive some actions as discriminatory again based on their traits. But, anyone can be as anonymous as they want or present themselves as they want. there is no worth insights (for running SE sites) that can be gained based on those demographic data. | |
May 5, 2023 at 8:30 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @DalijaPrasnikar I actually saw something worrying me the other day. A user with a profile picture of a woman posted an off-topic question (not about programming). I posted a cv-pls in SOCVR; got closed within a few minutes. Shortly after, the user had removed their profile picture. I can imagine that user, or similar ones, responding in the survey that their gender was a reason for being unwelcomed. They had a few other questions in the past; they may not have had their profile picture at that time. Anyway; this is going somewhere else. | |
May 5, 2023 at 8:24 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | Well, some survey questions are really questionable and really shouldn't be asked at all. They don't serve any purpose. Since anyone can use SE sites, there is no barrier to entry based on someone's skin color, sexual orientation or similar. There is no point in trying to make the sites more "women friendly" or anything like that. Only thing that could matter can be site accessibility aspect, but for that asking whether someone has disability is not relevant to whether person with disability can successfully use the site or not due to their disability. | |
May 5, 2023 at 7:30 | comment | added | Erik A | Still a meh explanation, the better approach would be to remove as many questions leading to rare and sensitive data points as possible (particularly disabilities and gender identity are data points that are sensitive and lead to certain people to be identifiable for rare combinations, e.g. how many Dutch gay developers that work with F# aged 55-64 with a visual impairment do you think there are?). These are way more problematic than a badge indicating someone completed a survey imho. | |
May 5, 2023 at 2:11 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | Aside from that, if what you say is true, then it sounds like whatever exploit is still theoretically possible as long as that dataset is public, and like removing the badge is only a mitigation. | |
May 5, 2023 at 1:58 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "Stack Overflow shares the full survey data sets" - Why? My assumption is "so people can do their own analysis rather than being spoon-fed the company's conclusions from the data"; but because it's a survey, that doesn't actually work - the questions were asked, very specifically tailored, in the service of the company's analysis (and any particular agenda driving that analysis, e.g. to prove a point about how they are faring on "diversity" metrics or to argue that X change results in Y marginalized group feeling more "welcome" - which, you know, risks offensive stereotyping). | |
May 4, 2023 at 21:48 | comment | added | Stevoisiak | Thank you for the elaboration. This makes the badge removal more understandable. | |
May 4, 2023 at 20:53 | comment | added | bad_coder | So it is possible to infer what a user answered to each question. | |
May 4, 2023 at 20:31 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | @bad_coder No, but it's not impossible to infer which answer is whose either. This just removes a data point, making it harder to infer. | |
May 4, 2023 at 19:55 | comment | added | Kevin B | @bad_coder no, no literal direct link to account. but inference isn't impossible particularly when looking at surveys over the course of many years and public user profile data | |
May 4, 2023 at 19:42 | comment | added | bad_coder | Really, so they asked sexual orientation and then published the results linked to the account? Am I understanding this correctly? | |
May 4, 2023 at 16:48 | history | answered | MachavityMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |