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May 2, 2023 at 19:00 | comment | added | philipxy | @Andreasdetestscensorship My deleted toxicity comment was a pun disagreeing with another person's commented claim of toxic behaviour. | |
May 2, 2023 at 17:58 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Related: Min-Reprex: a less awkward name for MCVE | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 21:42 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @skomisa "SO shouldn't have a policy of always requiring an MRE". Of course it should. MRE stands for "minimal reproducible example". All the data necessary to reproduce the issue are provided. "MRE" does not require code. It only requires code if code is necessary! | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 21:41 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | The ones that voted to close the question, simply believed that the question wasn't reproducable without code. That's a failure on their part. There's a lot of questions coming in every day, so quick decisions are made. Simply get it reopened if it was incorrectly closed. There's nothing toxic about misunderstanding, or making an honest mistake. @philipxy | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 21:40 | comment | added | skomisa | @Andreasdetestscensorship That's a torturous and absurd argument. You are defending the indefensible. If no MRE is required to debug a question in some circumstances then SO shouldn't have a policy of always requiring an MRE. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 21:37 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @skomisa It's not required. It's quite clearly written that it's the shortest code necessary to reproduce it. The shortest code in this case is none. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 21:35 | comment | added | skomisa | @Andreasdetestscensorship Sure, which is why always requiring an MRE for debug questions is a bad policy. It invites spurious close voting because no MRE has been provided when no MRE is necessary. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 21:08 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @skomisa The error message is given, and a description of the environment changes is provided. As such, code is not necessary, because you can reproduce it with any imaginable code. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 17:38 | comment | added | skomisa | @Andreasdetestscensorship No, the question did not have an MRE. An MRE is code, and the question did not include any code. From the link philipxy provided, "Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. " And you prove my point by stating that "The bug isn't contained in the code itself, and so providing code is unnecessary". | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 1:51 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @skomisa Just to be clear, that question you answered did have an MRE. The bug isn't contained in the code itself, and so providing code is unnecessary. It contained the error message (which should preferably have also been provided as text, not just an image). So it fulfills the requirements. Such a question could've been mistakenly closed in SOCVR (as an example), but that would have been a mistake. Such mistakes happen, and when spotted, closing the question is "aborted". If it did go through, explain why it was wrong, and post a request for reopening. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 1:43 | comment | added | skomisa | @philipxy ...And of course, because there is a "Needs debugging details" close reason, some zealous but unthinking users vote to close perfectly valid debug questions simply because there is no MRE. To be clear, requiring an MRE can be reasonable and appropriate in many scenarios, and closing questions because there is no MRE in those scenarios is valid. But the notion that an MRE must always be provided for every debug question is severely misguided. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 1:37 | comment | added | skomisa | @philipxy Wow - you are correct; SO policy does requires an MRE for any debug problem. That is silly, unnecessary and counterproductive. For example, here's a debug question from a few days ago (which I answered): Program runs in CLion but gives procedure entry point error when run from file explorer Not only did the OP not provide an MRE, but they didn't provide any code at all! And that was perfectly fine because the question presented their problem concisely and clearly, with enough information to yield an accepted answer. No MRE was needed. | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 0:59 | comment | added | philipxy | @skomisa stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic | |
Apr 30, 2023 at 0:57 | comment | added | philipxy | @MegaIng No, requires. | |
Apr 29, 2023 at 21:09 | comment | added | MegaIng |
@skomisa Basically yes, see the Needs debugging information close reason text. However, if the question can be answered without an MRE, then it doesn't have to be closed. If an MRE can't be provided then the question should mention it (unless it's implicit in the tags or similar).
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Apr 29, 2023 at 18:54 | comment | added | skomisa | Re "Debug questions require a minimal reproducible example", is that formal SO policy, or just your opinion? There are many scenarios where providing an MRE is impractical, impossible or meaningless. | |
Apr 29, 2023 at 11:28 | history | edited | philipxy | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Apr 29, 2023 at 11:23 | history | answered | philipxy | CC BY-SA 4.0 |