Timeline for Does the JPEG tag cover only legacy JPEG or all related formats?
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Nov 3, 2022 at 11:02 | comment | added | IMSoP | Unless and until "Classic JPEG", or "Legacy JPEG",, or some other name, becomes a commonly used term for this image format (which has been known as "JPEG" for the last 30 years), I don't think adding any new tag or synonym makes sense. If JPEG XL (which was only published this year) actually succeeds in its aims (unlike JPEG 2000, or many other image formats in between) it's far from clear that people will start abbreviating it as "JPEG", rather than using a new term such as "JXL". | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 19:04 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | @TylerH: I was picturing that [jpeg] could be a tag synonym for [jpeg-classic] or something like that. So if someone tries to tag their question [jpeg], it actually shows as [jpeg-classic] as soon as they press enter. That's one hypothetical way we could go; it's technologically possible on Stack Overflow, but I think it's better to leave [jpeg] open to some sloppyness because it's not a big problem, but have the intended use be just for classic JPEG. Partly the benefit is less distraction worrying about tags for people using it. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 13:49 | comment | added | TylerH | @TheMaster But JPEG-2000 and JPEG-XL (the other tags listed) do use different mime types and have different file names/extensions. JPEG-2000 is image/jp2 and .jpg, respectively. JPEG-XL is image/jxl and .jxl respectively. It sounds like you are arguing that we should get rid of those extra tags, which is a valid argument, but not something that should be done before Meta decides on it. The current reality is that we have different tags for the different mime types and formats, and the tag wiki needs to reflect that reality. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 13:30 | comment | added | TheMaster |
@TylerH Yes, I can see you see removed plagiarized content. But you also arbitrarily limited the tag to a mimetype image/jpeg or the extension .jpg unilaterally before meta discussion. While your answer still is popular, it's arbitrary. We don't have tags like jxl for [jpeg-xl]/image/jxl or jxr(hdp or wdp ) for jpeg-xr/image/jxr . All [jpeg] tags were based on the file format common name and not on the mime type or extension. We don't need to put conflicting words. I suggest just removing the last ...using the image/jpeg MIME type in the tag excerpt.
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Nov 2, 2022 at 13:20 | comment | added | TylerH | To that point, @MateenUlhaq, it's best to wait to make competing changes to the wiki until a consensus has been reached. Trying to change it in the middle of a Meta discussion, especially in a way that more aligns with the currently-less-popular outcome, is not a particularly good idea. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 13:18 | comment | added | TylerH | Regarding my tag wiki edit, it mostly removed plagiarized content. I did add usage guidance (since there wasn't any), and I chose to make the usage guidance narrowed to jpeg since that's what the tag is named and there are other tags already for the other mime types... we may ultimately decide to do away with those but while they're here it makes no sense to have the tag wiki for one try to cover all. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 13:12 | comment | added | TylerH | @PeterCordes how many people do you think would use [jpeg-classic] and not just re-create [jpeg] when they are talking about .jpeg/.jpg files? Since no one refers to it as jpeg-classic, I think it would be the wrong move to try and create that name for it here and expect people to follow it. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 7:07 | comment | added | TheMaster | @PeterCordes Some people might be interested in some of the new formats but not want to follow the [jpeg] tag. The volume doesn't support that theory. [jpeg-xr] has 16 questions and just 4 watchers. [jpeg-xl] has 0 watchers and 3 questions. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 6:40 | comment | added | Peter Cordes |
If there's anything specific to [jpeg-xr] in a question beyond the choice of filename, I hope someone would add that tag. For searchability in general, "jpeg-xr" in quotes should work in most search-engines, but for question feeds for people looking for questions to answer, that's still based on tags. Some people might be interested in some of the new formats but not want to follow the [jpeg] tag.
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Nov 2, 2022 at 6:01 | comment | added | TheMaster | @PeterCordes Most questions are about image modifications in another language(eg: python). I'm sure most python devs wouldn't bother, if [jpeg-xr][jpeg2000] was tagged only with [jpeg]. No one is going to do retagging to fit the tag excerpt. Note that [jpeg-xr] has only 16 questions, and [jpeg2000] around 200 questions. [jpeg] on the other hand has around 5k questions. | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 5:48 | comment | added | TheMaster |
@MateenUlhaq The change to restrict the tag to image/jpeg was done unilaterally by TylerH yesterday and the answer was posted ex post facto. I believe a change is acceptable.
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Nov 2, 2022 at 2:56 | comment | added | Peter Cordes |
We could consider renaming [jpeg] to [jpeg-classic], but maybe better to leave the door open for it to be not wrong on [jpeg-xl] questions. I'm kind of against this proposal as plan A / official policy, but I don't think it's a disaster if some JPEG-XL questions are left with a [jpeg] tag. IMO, questions about formats other than image/jpeg should definitely be tagged with their own tag, though, whether or not they also get [jpeg] . I think that's important for the tag system to be useful in narrowing things down for people looking for questions to answer, or searching in general.
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Nov 2, 2022 at 2:53 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | People mis-using tags means some work re-tagging, but as long as the volume of mis-tagged questions isn't too high, it's manageable. (And probably not too frustrating for people doing the re-tagging, as the confusion is understandable. Unlike people who still post questions about the MIPS simulator MARS, tagged with [sql-server-mars], obviously with zero attention paid to how their tags expanded. But that tag rename did help reduce the rate of retagging needed.) | |
Nov 2, 2022 at 0:55 | comment | added | Mateen Ulhaq | We certainly don't need more JPEG tags (e.g. classic-jpeg). Also, if jpeg jpeg-xr are meant to be used in tandem, perhaps the JPEG tag usage guidance should be worded more inclusively to cover all JPEG codecs. | |
Nov 1, 2022 at 4:52 | history | answered | TheMaster | CC BY-SA 4.0 |