Timeline for It is dishonest and counterproductive to consider best practices questions as invalid "opinion based" questions [duplicate]
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Oct 2, 2022 at 18:55 | comment | added | ticster | None of what you describe is even remotely aggressive. Though most internet forums these days have become accustomed to such a narrow range of views that most serious disagreements appear as apocalyptic events. | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 18:19 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | It's also pretty aggressive to open with a critique of policy when it appears that you are actually motivated by people finding fault with a specific question. (Incidentally, your answer is nowhere near comprehensive; a comprehensive answer could fill a book, which is exactly why the question is not appropriate for the site.) | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 18:12 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | @ticster no, you have it exactly the wrong way around. The problem with the best practices questions is exactly that they explicitly do invite subjectivity. The fact that good answers will be assessed subjectively is 1) unavoidable (by your reasoning, there would be no valid questions!) and 2) completely beside the point. We close questions as opinion based because of the solicitation, not because of the answers. "Disagreement is not a form of verbal assault" Opening with "this policy is dishonest" is pretty aggressive, however. | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 16:03 | comment | added | ticster | There's nothing particularly aggressive about anything I said. Disagreement is not a form of verbal assault. | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 8:27 | comment | added | halfer | Brave strategy, Ticster. This was an opportunity to put a positive and kind case forward for "edge cases", but you decided to punch readers on the nose first (see the title) prior to asking them to respond positively to you. | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 6:53 | comment | added | philipxy | Why is asking a question on "best practice" a bad thing? | |
Oct 2, 2022 at 5:24 | comment | added | Martin James | I hate 'best pratice' questions. They are very often underspecified and lead to conversations instead of solutions. That, or open confrontations. My favourites for global thermonuclear war are: 'you must always initialize variables where they are declared', (even if they are 256k buffers that are written into on the next line), 'you must free up all dynamically allocated memory before terminating your process, (impractical, counter-productive and near impossible with any non-trivial process), and 'you must gracefully terninate all threads before exit' (impossible if not impractical). | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 22:02 | comment | added | ticster | This is a pointless bit of mental gymnastics. So the question doesn't explicitely invite subjectivity, but we all know that good answers are necessarily subjectively measured as good. Again this is my whole point, whether you ask for it or not the subjectivity is implicitly there. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 19:23 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "Now, what distinguishes these approaches? Strictly speaking, all 3 of them fit the bill and answer the question. Yes, and that's fine, because this question did not ask for a subjective judgment. People who vote on the answers are offering their judgment, which may be subjective. That has nothing to do with inviting subjectivity by the nature of the question. If the question doesn't admit any answer that actually addresses the problem or task, then it must propose an objective metric. There is no contradiction here. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 19:21 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "and the "opinion based" close reason is all too often used to shut down broad questions that are still perfectly relevant here." If this is your central claim, why did you write several paragraphs citing zero examples of this happening, talking about completely different and unrelated bad questions, and making an irrelevant argument about the subjective judgment of answers? | |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 14:06 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Related (blog post): Good Subjective, Bad Subjective | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 11:13 | history | edited | Wai Ha Lee | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 10:19 | comment | added | ticster | No, my point is that opinion based answers are in fact the norm, and the "opinion based" close reason is all too often used to shut down broad questions that are still perfectly relevant here. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 8:24 | comment | added | rene | "I'm trying to do exactly this, have tried practically nothing so far, please do it for me" those questions need to be downvoted and closed after which those questions will be roomba-ed. That it doesn't happen (no downvoting, no close voting, no roomba) is because the few curators that care are wound up in discussion on Meta and the very few that didn't got sick of being called dishonest / doing counter productive things every other day. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 8:17 | answer | added | DharmanMod | timeline score: 17 | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 7:20 | comment | added | ticster | The gorilla vs shark argument isn't wrong, it just doesn't apply to most of the garbage. There are very few "is Python better than Perl" questions around SO, but there is a tremendous amount of "I'm trying to do exactly this, have tried practically nothing so far, please do it for me". | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 7:19 | comment | added | ticster | As it stands most of the garbage is made up of questions that are extremely specific, and are garbage for that reason. That points to the opposite conclusion : we should encourage broader questions. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 2:20 | history | edited | ticster | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 1:56 | comment | added | ggorlen | We agree that there are a lot of garbage questions on SO, but loosening restrictions on opinion-based questions will result in more garbage, not less. The cost is some false positives that are genuinely valuable questions otherwise. In other words, we disagree about whether the line in the sand is productive or not. I often head back to the gorilla vs shark blog post from 2011 for rationale. And if you enjoy discussing different approaches to the same code, check out Code Review SE. | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:46 | comment | added | ticster | My point is that this site already inevitably allows such questions, and has a counter productive line in the sand about what counts as "opinion based". | |
Oct 1, 2022 at 1:22 | comment | added | Hovercraft Full Of Eels | This looks to be argument by the slippery slope logical fallacy. You may not like the logic used to curate questions on this site, but the concrete evidence is that this site has survived and thrived (else you wouldn't be here) where many other sites that have allowed such questions (think, Yahoo!Answers) have fallen by the wayside. | |
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