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Aug 20, 2022 at 4:18 comment added chivracq "I don't understand how I failed to communicate the problem in the description above" => Your Qt (Question) is not self-contained, one needs to follow 3 "vague" Links all 3 called "here", (that feel a bit like "Clickbait", no Tag mentioned), of which 2 link to some Qt (maybe 2 Qt's), and based on that you want to "revolutionize" the Voting and Flagging System. Hum..., OK, good luck I would say..., I don't see the "Urgency" for just 1 or 2 Qt's, let the Voting System decide and use your Downvotes and/or post a Comment to the "wrong" Answers, ... or post a "better" Answer yourself... :idea:
Aug 20, 2022 at 1:10 comment added polkovnikov.ph It would make no more sense to downvote spam answers, because, you know, over time they will get enough downvotes to be dimmed and grayed out. "Wrong" and "helpful" are not on the same scale.
Aug 20, 2022 at 1:06 comment added polkovnikov.ph If you discourage users from downvoting others to tune anyone with positive vibes or whatever other reason, the website gets filled with really bad, wrong answers. Incidentally, those wrong answers get upvoted, because there is no visual sign to mark them as wrong, no way for novice users to deem them wrong, no nothing. Over years some of them get highly upvoted, primarily for their sheer age. It doesn't get any better, the more time we try to understand it takes time, the worse it gets.
Aug 20, 2022 at 0:58 comment added polkovnikov.ph @MartijnPieters If 9 years of time is an insufficient scale of time to downvote 40 wrong answers, it doesn't really speak of impatience and subjective distrust in voting system, it speaks the voting system is objectively broken.
Aug 20, 2022 at 0:31 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod @polkovnikov.ph your remarks about how downvotes don’t help when a post score goes from 6 to 5 suggest, strongly, that you want something more powerful, it speaks of impatience and a distrust of the voting system. We don’t need a ‘wrong answer’ flag, because voting already handles this. You just have to understand that it can take time.
Aug 20, 2022 at 0:27 comment added polkovnikov.ph @MartijnPieters Did I ever ask to get a veto on what is right or wrong? Doesn't "if it was flagged several times" seem to be a bit conflicting with that? The point is, as "downvote" and "close vote" are completely different types of votes, "wrong vote" should be different too. It's not on the "helpful" scale.
Aug 19, 2022 at 23:53 comment added polkovnikov.ph I don't know if it's obvious only to me, but there is no incentive to downvote. It's exactly the reverse: you get punished with -1s to your own reputation.
Aug 19, 2022 at 23:51 comment added polkovnikov.ph Where are those 1337 people that should have downvoted? Well, yes, it seems no one votes down. Don't want to be that guy that uses up my daily vote cap.
Aug 19, 2022 at 23:50 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod Downvoting is only pointless if no one votes down. Don’t be that guy that doesn’t vote.
Aug 19, 2022 at 23:49 comment added polkovnikov.ph @MartijnPieters That's why for every answer I provided a comment with a counterexample.
Aug 19, 2022 at 23:48 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod @polkovnikov.ph you could be wrong too, perhaps the answer was correct but you only think it is wrong. Which is why your downvote brings that answer down from 6 to 5. But if the answer really is wrong then others will agree and also downvote. It would help if you left a comment explaining why the answer is wrong, so it is easier for others to spot the mistake and vote accordingly. Or, perhaps correct the error. But you alone don’t get to have a veto on what is right or wrong.
Aug 19, 2022 at 23:46 comment added polkovnikov.ph @Makyen Unfortunately, I'm out of votes for today, but there actually was only one (probably) correct answer. Now we need exactly 1337 more downvotes to get it on top. I couldn't hope for a 13373r proof that current voting system is completely broken.
Aug 19, 2022 at 20:58 comment added VLAZ Relevant: Introducing Outdated Answers project
Aug 19, 2022 at 20:40 comment added Makyen Mod If the answers are wrong, why have you not downvoted them? Subject mater experts (SMEs) downvoting wrong/unhelpful/bad (but not an outdated answer which clearly says to what versions it does/doesn't apply and/or you can edit that in), in addition to upvoting correct/helpful ones, is a critical part of having quality content on Stack Overflow/Stack Exchange. [Note: I don't know anything about specifically your votes on those posts, but like all users with > 1k rep, I can see that many/most of those answers have no downvotes, so, obviously, you didn't downvote the ones with no downvotes.]
Aug 19, 2022 at 20:23 comment added Ryan M Mod "wrong/outdated/not-an-answers" these are three different things. Answers that don't attempt to answer the question asked can be mod-flagged with an explanation of how they don't attempt to answer it. Answers that are wrong must have attempted to answer the question in order to be wrong ("Tuesdays, unless it's raining" is not a wrong answer to "How to reverse a list in JavaScript?", for instance). And outdated answers are neither wrong nor non-answers: they're correct, but for a previous version of the system.
Aug 19, 2022 at 19:54 comment added polkovnikov.ph @RyanM I don't understand how I failed to communicate the problem in the description above, but I'll reiterate: there are wrong/outdated/not-an-answers that are upvoted and keep being upvoted. It signifies someone is still using them in their production. Neither their authors nor readers are at wrong here, the problem is that at the moment there is no way to explicitly communicate the answer is wrong.
Aug 19, 2022 at 19:51 comment added polkovnikov.ph I didn't propose removing outdated/wrong answers, neither did the linked discussion. It's important to at least mark them as such.
Aug 19, 2022 at 19:35 answer added Robert Longson timeline score: 5
Aug 19, 2022 at 19:24 comment added user4581301 You can't nuke most outdated answers. There will still be folks struggling with legacy systems where the answer is still correct. If the answer has become harmful or has been subsequently discovered to be harmful... That is a problem.
Aug 19, 2022 at 18:54 comment added Ryan M Mod Your solution does not clearly relate to the problem. Is the issue that the answers are wrong, outdated, or not attempting to answer the question? These are three different problems, with arguably three different solutions.
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