Timeline for Rule proposal: comments asking for accepts and votes shall no longer be allowed
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May 20, 2022 at 17:53 | comment | added | rgettman | @CodyGray Sure, there is a "power dynamic", but I endeavor always to exhibit exemplary behavior when posting, whether I have 172k or 172 or 1, and I hope everyone does the same. I understand the need to be gentle. I lurked for over a month after I joined in 2012 before posting - observing and learning the site. And on my first answer, someone posted something like, "Isn't this answer repeating another answer?", which I now understand to be part of a First Posts review. Thankfully, 2 people upvoted my answer, and if they hadn't, I would have abandoned my account. I understand. | |
May 20, 2022 at 17:43 | comment | added | rgettman | @CodyGray "Our hope is to not have any suspensions, save the routine violators who insist on continuing to remind others to vote or accept." It may an implication, but is a suspension not a penalty? A gentle reminder that votes and accepts exist is just one way we can teach users how the site works, along with not posting links/images to code in their questions, giving detailed error messages, etc. I don't doubt there's a lot moderator work in cleaning up clutter around the site, but if I think it guides the user and helps the site, then I'll post it. | |
May 20, 2022 at 10:39 | comment | added | ouflak | @CodyGray, "...there's an inherent power dynamic involved in a < insert high number > rep user leaving a comment "informing" a brand-new user how the site works." - So higher rep users should be more careful when making suggestions on how to interact with the site, as that might be bullying? Are the new users you're trying to protect even aware of the rep system and how that works? From your comment - "no one is proposing any penalties here". From the Original Post - "Our hope is to not have any suspensions". These two statements appear to implicitly contradict. | |
May 20, 2022 at 8:19 | comment | added | Gimby | I'll meet this one half way though. I am 100% positive and convinced that there is no intention to penalise with this re-enforcement of what was actually already a rule to begin with. I believe it, the people attached to this are all people I have faith in. But then we are only talking about a slice of time, - right now. Not about the future. This policy opens the door for the people after the Cody Gray's in the world... to penalise people with good intentions. Because penalising IS on the table, it is just not preferable. Not yet, anyway. I can understand this makes people pessimistic. | |
May 20, 2022 at 5:42 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Again, most people here are not understanding or appreciative of the sheer scale/volume that we're talking about. Each user we've messaged so far about this, and each case we've even contemplated taking any action, has involved thousands of these comments. When you consider we're talking about hundreds of users, each leaving thousands of comments... that's a lot of comments. It requires more than just a one-off, case-by-case type of management. Maybe that's unfortunate, but that is the reality. | |
May 20, 2022 at 5:41 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | And then there are the correlated issues of noise and scale. Even if you do follow up and delete your own comment, it was still there on the page for all the time that it was there, serving as a distraction to other viewers/researchers. This is something we should all strive to avoid. The purpose of this platform is questions and answers, not teaching users how to use the site. If the latter is getting in the way of the former, then it's a problem. Beyond that, it sounds simple to just leave the comments for a while and later flag/delete them, but that's a lot of work for mods. | |
May 20, 2022 at 5:39 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | The problem I believe you're missing, as with most people here, is that, no matter how politely you attempt to phrase the comment, there's an inherent power dynamic involved in a 172k rep user leaving a comment "informing" a brand-new user how the site works. You may have attempted to be entirely neutral, and you may have even succeeded on a purely textual level, but that user is still going to feel pressured (previously, I've used the term "bullied", but I'll avoid that b/c it's been suggested that trivializes real bullying). | |
May 20, 2022 at 5:36 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | To be clear: no one is proposing any penalties here. We're just clarifying the policy is that such comments should not be routinely posted, and that, as such, they're going to be deleted on sight. If a particular user is posting hundreds or more of such comments on a regular basis, they're likely to get a message from a moderator asking them to stop. It's no different than the way we handle all other matters when it comes to comments. | |
May 19, 2022 at 23:05 | history | answered | rgettman | CC BY-SA 4.0 |