Timeline for Rule proposal: comments asking for accepts and votes shall no longer be allowed
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Jun 4, 2022 at 10:12 | comment | added | Rob Raymond | @CodyGray you clearly state that you want no bullying on SO. That I agree with, but you have bullied me and I am no longer contributing as according to your guidelines my approach to helping new users is 100% toxic. I know me moving on will not make any difference to SO. I still see follow ups from new users requesting more help from me - this I have to pass on as there is no way to help without invoking your anger | |
May 20, 2022 at 13:22 | comment | added | Dugnom | @CodyGray Regarding your first comment on this comment thread. I want to point out, that according to the tour Accepting doesn't mean it's the best answer, it just means that it worked for the person who asked. You are saying accepting "does mean a lot more than 'it worked'". I see this as either: 1. The tour has to be changed to reflect the meaning you are describing (this may be a reason not to quote it as a reliable resource for the time being) 2. "Thanks, it worked" literally means the same as accepting an answer. | |
May 20, 2022 at 13:07 | comment | added | BhaveshDiwan | I unequivocally oppose this. Absolutely horrendous idea... When people at Youtube can ask for Subscription towards their hard work; I see nothing wrong in asking for Accept or Upvote for the effort they put in answering to a question.... And what about noobs who benefitted from the answer but doesn't know how they can return the favour, although they want to!? | |
May 20, 2022 at 12:44 | comment | added | Jonathan Willcock | Given the evidently substantial resistance of the community to this "proposal", are the mods going to come back with a revised "proposal" or is this a fait accompli, as implied by OP saying that the mods have been enforcing this "policy" for some months, without any prior discussion? | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:51 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @KevinB The idea outlined in this post shouldn't be a policy to be enforced at all. A blanket ban doesn't even address the problem anyway. The only problem related to this is people encouraging misuse of the accept and voting features (probably usually by rep farmers). This entire discussion is based on an XY-problem. | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:46 | comment | added | Kevin B | @jpmc26 so mods should have just kept enforcing the policy without outlining it on meta? This isn't a new idea, begging for accepts/upvotes has always been frowned upon and routinely flagged. | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:44 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @KevinB Don't see how instigating another one here by instituting a nonsense policy is helping, then. | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:43 | comment | added | Kevin B | They were, and it resulted in repeated blowups on meta. | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:42 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @KevinB Then the individuals who are overdoing it should be addressed directly, rather than threatening everyone over it. | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:41 | comment | added | Kevin B | "As long as people don't overdo it" i mean... that's literally why a post was made | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:40 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @ModusTollens Maybe we should ban messages that mislead users about proper usage of accepts or don't explain, then. Seems to me that you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. An innocent reminder with proper context isn't a bad thing. | |
May 19, 2022 at 19:39 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @CodyGray People forget sometimes (move on to something else after trying a solution, just forget to click it in excitement). New users don't always read the help. Bombarding people with enough automatic messages to combat these simple occurrences will just lead to ignoring the message. As long as people don't overdo it, these messages are harmless. | |
May 19, 2022 at 15:36 | history | edited | user17242583 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 19, 2022 at 13:39 | comment | added | Braiam | @ModusTollens if such comment "diminish quality", then I recommend you to look at what gets posted on the "ask a question" box, yet I don't see moderators making a rule about it. If such comments are so bothersome that every time they are flagged, they are also deleted, why not simply tell the system to delete it at the first flag? We already do those with "Thanks that worked" and the like. This "rule" is busybody by the moderator team. | |
May 19, 2022 at 13:07 | comment | added | Braiam | @CodyGray comments like yours and that view point makes me wonder that we should have never removed "presume good faith". That point of view is sorely lacking any kind of charity towards those people that think they are informing others about such behavior. | |
May 19, 2022 at 9:50 | comment | added | ouflak | @CodyGray, Are you wanting to restrict the tone of the such requests, or the requests themselves? I'm wary that a polite positive request that can help a user take part in the site in a way that they (and perhaps all of us) would appreciate would become automatically interpreted as 'online bullying'. | |
May 19, 2022 at 8:12 | comment | added | jfriend00 | @CodyGray - So you're trying to drop dirt from 7 years ago to prove a point? That isn't even "telling", it's asking. That's also not wording I use any more. But, you've just convinced me to abandon any future visits to Meta and perhaps even abandon my free contributions on SO. Once again, I wonder if the people who actually work for the company know who's minding the store here on Meta because it's really unhealthy for the long term health of SO. Bye. | |
May 19, 2022 at 8:02 | comment | added | Gimby | Not just new users, basically anyone that has a deeply rooted need for friendly discourse. It is kind of a culture shock where basically anywhere on the net you would do well to be graceful and respectful, and then exactly on Stack Overflow you are encouraged to not do that (because it is implied). | |
May 19, 2022 at 8:02 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | You're right about Meta being a place that is focused on content curation and improving the site. You're incorrect about these people forgetting what made SO successful in the first place. In fact, most of us who participate here are the people who made SO successful in the first place, and we accomplished it by posting high-quality content with extreme focus on curation. Yahoo Answers did the opposite; you can see how that turned out. We have plenty of people who write questions; we need spend no effort/focus on attracting more. Nor do we need more rewards. We need more quality and clean-up | |
May 19, 2022 at 7:40 | comment | added | jfriend00 | @CodyGray - Does it matter to you at all that the more time I spend on Meta, the less time I want to spend on SO. Meta is hugely discouraging. I guess I'm reminded why I should stop visiting Meta. All it does is convince me that SO is being run by curators who have no sense of what made it successful in the first place and how it attracts people to write questions and how you attract, incent and reward people for writing great answers. The sense here is that curation is far, far more important than anything related to attracting questioners or encouraging answerers. | |
May 19, 2022 at 7:32 | comment | added | jfriend00 | @CodyGray - I don't ever "tell" someone to accept an answer. You used that word, not me. I explain the process and advise that if they want to indicate to the community that their question has been answered, they can do so by clicking the checkmark to the left of the answer that helped them the most. And, in addition, as one who provides a lot of answers, I appreciate knowing if the OP thinks their question has been answered or not. So, I find the acceptance indicator a useful indicator on questions I haven't yet responded to. I find it distressing, you want to de-emphasize or remove it | |
May 19, 2022 at 5:40 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | How do you know that people don't know about this? You are assuming that because after you leave a comment telling them to accept an answer, they go ahead and do so. That doesn't prove that they didn't know about the benefits or inducements for accepting. It could equally well mean that they felt pressured by your comment into accepting an answer. That's not a positive outcome, and you can't disentangle that merely by looking at results. The user may well have made a tenuous decision not to accept an answer after the system told them they could do so, but didn't feel like defending it. | |
May 19, 2022 at 5:29 | comment | added | jfriend00 | @CodyGray - A more appropriate bar for acceptance is that the answer fully explains a solution to the question (thus no future guidance is thought to be needed) and is the best of any answers offered so far. If an even better answer arrives later, the acceptance can be moved to that new answer if appropriate. | |
May 19, 2022 at 5:27 | comment | added | jfriend00 | @CodyGray - In context, a comment to the tune of "that worked" nearly always means the OP is no longer seeking additional advice on the topic and is moving on to their next issue. If they still have issues, the comment will have a "but" in it or will raise some other aspect of the question. The bar for a checkmark is not "the best possible answer to the question". In theory no single answer here on stackoverflow ever meets that criteria as every single answer could theoretically be improved somehow. So, that's a ridiculous bar for an acceptance. | |
May 19, 2022 at 1:21 | history | answered | Joseph Sible-Reinstate Monica | CC BY-SA 4.0 |