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May 17, 2022 at 8:57 comment added ouflak That woudn't be a bad Code Golf question.
May 12, 2022 at 15:44 comment added Nick is tired @Catija "If the question is about Python and the answer is clearly about C# and not Python at all, it's NAA - period." - Ummmmm no. Because a question about python does not necessarily have to be asking for code in python. It could be asking for an algorithm that would potentially work in python, which could easily be provided in any other language like C# as a form of pseudocode for the asker. You're massively overgeneralizing.
May 12, 2022 at 14:46 comment added Cristik @Catija yeah, NAA covers a few corner cases: users posting a link-only answer, users asking another question related to the current one, OP answering while it should've been an edit... and so on... the flagger can only flag as NAA, while the reviewers of the flag need to figure out what NAA category the answer falls into
May 12, 2022 at 14:25 comment added Catija Staff In cases like this, where there's already dozens of off-topic answers, flagging the question with a custom flag to say "Can we pare this down to Java answers only", seems reasonable. If the question is new and attracting answers about the wrong language, it's where curation comes in - downvote and leave comments explaining that the question is about Java. Then vote to delete the answer. But... like... the mods are here to help y'all - so if you want to change how NAA flags are used. Talk with them about it?
May 12, 2022 at 14:25 comment added Kevin B Delete the answers that are answering a different but similar question. In this case a mod actually should step in and take care of it, as regular users casting votes normally would never be able to outweigh the random upvotes answers on questions like this receive. This question was handled that way, with a moderator note added to the question to head off future such answers.
May 12, 2022 at 14:25 comment added Catija Staff @AndrewT. That also seems to indicate an SO mod (the one who asked this very question) who might actually prefer to use NAA flags the way I describe. :P
May 12, 2022 at 14:12 comment added Andrew T. Note that there's at least one exceptional case contradicting Catija's comment on "Other sites explicitly require locations, for example, and if the answer doesn't relate to that location or culture, it's removed because it's likely misleading.": Law.SE allows answers from other jurisdictions and discourages duplicating similar questions (the top voted answer was practically ignored by the community)
May 12, 2022 at 13:32 comment added 0Valt @Catija what I meant is that this is contrary to what the mod team believes should be flagged as NAA, and NAA is generally understood as "being eligible for an NAA flag" (at least here on SO). As such, this will only lead to declined flags (and add to the usual confusion of "why my NAA flag was declined even though the answer does not answer the question"). If you are saying the above as a CM, you should probably bring it up with the mod team first, IMO.
May 12, 2022 at 13:29 comment added Cristik @Catija I think the point Oleg raised is related to how non-mod users can handle this kind of answers. Flagging as NAA is likely to result in the flag being declined, and a custom mod flag puts more burden on the moderators team. The only way non-mod users can get rid of this kind of NAA is to vote to delete it, however for that to be possible, the answer needs to have a negative score...
May 12, 2022 at 13:27 comment added Catija Staff If the question is about Python and the answer is clearly about C# and not Python at all, it's NAA - period. I've had to go through this on several sites and this is exactly why - you end up with answers that don't actually answer the question. As an asker, I shouldn't have to say - "I don't care about C#, I need to know how to do it in Python!" Other sites explicitly require locations, for example, and if the answer doesn't relate to that location or culture, it's removed because it's likely misleading.
May 12, 2022 at 13:23 comment added Catija Staff @OlegValteriswithUkraine I'd argue that y'all use NAA in a too-broad sense, rather than "strictly"... The definition on SO is "does it attempt to answer some question, even if that question is not related to the actual question?" and my definition is "Does it actually attempt to answer the question asked right on this page?". I'd argue that mine is significantly narrower while the standard SO definition causes exactly this problem - "It's an answer to some variant of this question but it's not about Java, so we can't flag or delete it"... too bad!
May 12, 2022 at 13:20 comment added 0Valt @Catija I hope you meant NAA in a broad sense? Because if not, that might lead to some confusion as on SO we practice a stricter definition, and flagging one as NAA will result in flags being declined.
May 12, 2022 at 13:15 comment added Catija Staff "Put the candle back!" (When it's removed)... if it doesn't exist (and should), that seems like it needs some work to catch early, honestly. I've seen the giant compendiums of "How do I do X in SQL" and end up sorting through giant list answers with 10 different variations and it's frustrating... I'd much rather have just one answer for my specific need. I think there's room in a handful of cases for thinking about things as canonical resources but then I'd rather have exactly one answer per tech.
May 12, 2022 at 13:14 comment added Cristik @Catija as long as the question was tagged java, deleting the non-java answers is OK, however question is what to do once the java is removed, or, worse, if there's no language tag to begin with?
May 12, 2022 at 13:11 comment added Catija Staff Particularly in the case where the asker tried to limit the scope and the answerers were the ones who started posting out of scope, why would the solution be to close the question rather than deleting all the NAA answers? Seems like there's two options - either use the Codility as the limiting factor and remove any answers that don't relate to Codility solutions... or go all the way to java and remove all of the answers that aren't about Java.
May 12, 2022 at 12:50 comment added Cristik @kaya3 good point, "language-agnostic" was not the term I was thinking at when I formulated the answer, replaced it by "questions that ask for solutions in any language"
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May 12, 2022 at 11:06 comment added kaya3 Regarding language-agnostic questions, these are absolutely on-topic when soliciting language-agnostic answers, there is even a language-agnostic tag for such questions with many good examples if you sort by votes. What we don't want is questions that are "language-agnostic" in the sense of soliciting answers written in any programming language.
May 12, 2022 at 11:03 comment added kaya3 "There are about 700 programming languages" is not very credible; the source you link to arrives at that number by counting the size of Wikipedia's list of programming languages, so "there are about 700 programming languages considered notable by Wikipedia's standards" would be more accurate.
May 12, 2022 at 10:54 comment added mickmackusa I think I slightly disagree. I think language agnostic questions should be on-topic (assuming they are narrowly scoped), so long as the goal is to seek language-agnostic (algorithmic) resolutions -- these can be compared logically. Answers should not be language-specific implementations, but algorithmic expressions -- these can be compared equally considering, simplicity / elegance / computational complexity / memory usage / etc. This particular question was prey to scope creep via off-language answers over time.
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May 12, 2022 at 9:30 comment added Cristik I'd say closing the question would be the first step, but not sure about the closing reason... maybe "needing more details", since they lack the important information regarding the programming language.
May 12, 2022 at 9:28 comment added Ryan M Mod Any thoughts on how to fix a question already in this state?
May 12, 2022 at 9:27 history answered Cristik CC BY-SA 4.0