Timeline for Staging Ground: Reviewer Motivation, Scaling, and Open Questions
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May 16, 2022 at 11:25 | comment | added | Gimby | I will give this an upvote, but while one buttock is still on the fence (and boy does that sting). I really like the idea that reviewing well gives you reputation. Reputation should reflect your "site experience" and it is kind of lopsided that this now comes from posting questions and providing answers only, reviewing well is a sign of Stack Overflow maturity which should reflect on you in some way. So should editing, for that matter... | |
May 11, 2022 at 15:28 | comment | added | Yaakov Ellis StaffMod | @bad_coder "I'd be willing to write (as are likely many) for the interesting speculative exercise of exploring the upsides" - I'd be eager to hear your thoughts and respond to them. | |
May 11, 2022 at 15:24 | comment | added | bad_coder | @YaakovEllis I don't know if the MSO crowd will contribute any creative discussion towards the possibility of rep rewards - although that is: what you called for. Not that the possibility isn't interesting and very worth of being discussed in its pros&cons but the simplistic Nay answers that don't address, solve or add anything are much easier. I'd be willing to write (as are likely many) for the interesting speculative exercise of exploring the upsides - but dissuasion and status-quo will get the better of this discussion, perhaps by high reps who see no gains and denegate any problems. | |
May 11, 2022 at 15:19 | comment | added | 0Valt | [2/2] people apply. Close voters (including me and you) don't get anything, yet they vote. Flaggers don't too, yet they flag. Editors 2K+ don't either, yet they edit. Reviewers don't as well, yet they review. What is the common thing about all of these users? They think that the quality of the site deserves the effort. Why are there only a handful? Not because of lack of extrinsic motivation but due to processes being underthought, tedious, lack basic usability, and, also, ironically, rep-gated. What I tried to convey to Yaakov - either make it worthwhile without reward or don't do it at all. | |
May 11, 2022 at 15:16 | comment | added | 0Valt | @bad_coder if users do not speak up in the fear of downvotes (which is, IMO, a flawed argument since there is no way to verify the claim), then they are doing it wrong since there is no penalty on MSO for being downvoted. It (the claim if it is true) also indirectly implies that there is an understanding that the idea is quite unpopular, which is exactly my point. Anyways, if SG requires rep to keep users participating, then it is a failure from the get-go and deserves to scrapped. There is never a need for extrinsic motivation if the cause is worth it: mods don't get anything, yet [1/2] | |
May 11, 2022 at 15:15 | comment | added | Kevin B | Yea, sure, maybe the "unpopular opinion" has majority support from users who are just afraid to come forward, that's gotta be it | |
May 11, 2022 at 15:09 | comment | added | bad_coder | @OlegValteriswithUkraine I'd make the counter-argument -as Yaakov did- rep has so many avenues for abuse that we don't need more Nth dups and off-topic questions being answered; what we need is users willing to clean those messes up! I'm also convinced hardly anyone is willing to speak their mind in favor of rep rewards (out of fear of downvotes), which is to everyone's loss because Yaakov called for ideas and we aren't going to see any creative posts exploring those possibilities. | |
May 10, 2022 at 20:06 | comment | added | 0Valt | Can we change the frame of reference a bit here, @YaakovEllis? Unless there is significant support for reputation incentive (which I don't see so far), can we be assured you are not going to proceed with it rather than us begging not to do that and then you might address it? | |
May 10, 2022 at 19:56 | comment | added | Kirk Woll | I admit my attention was focused on just the reputation section and missed that detail. Thanks for clarifying! | |
May 10, 2022 at 19:54 | comment | added | Yaakov Ellis StaffMod | Agreed. Even if they would ever happen, we are definitely not planning on any reputation incentives during the initial test period. As I tried to make clear above, this whole post is forward-looking, and trying to anticipate what might end up being problematic, and then exploring ways that we might want to address these issues. | |
May 10, 2022 at 19:52 | history | answered | Kirk Woll | CC BY-SA 4.0 |