Timeline for Should I explain other people's code-only answers?
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S Oct 15, 2022 at 16:02 | vote | accept | Faraaz Kurawle | ||
Oct 14, 2022 at 18:23 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @MateenUlhaq If people are biased towards voting for the top most answer then we basically never could really trust the score as an equivalent of quality or agreement. Maybe the problem is that people misuse meta questions for polls. Voting on sorted answers isn't good enough. We would maybe have to take the three or four highest scoring answers and poll on them separately, in case it really matters. | |
Oct 10, 2022 at 7:56 | comment | added | Mateen Ulhaq | I think @Trilarion's answer (129-17) was slowly starting to catch up to philipxy's (246-109) early answer owing to a steady stream of downvotes over the last few weeks. I think the latter had early momentum (early acceptance by OP + 60 upvotes), which makes it difficult to unseat since people are more likely to vote for the topmost "authoritative" post without scrolling down to see the others, despite there being many voices, reasons and votes against it. | |
Oct 9, 2022 at 20:12 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | But what will we do with the other 2 to 4 weeks? | |
Oct 9, 2022 at 13:28 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @CodyGray Votes have more or less died down, but if you disagree with it being unfeatured now, feel free to add it back in. I've never organised this type of discussion before; I have no idea what I'm doing, and making it up as I go along. | |
Oct 9, 2022 at 13:24 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | I would have snarkily said "until a consensus is reached", but I guess not. Apparently, the answer is "just under 4 weeks". @j08691 | |
Oct 8, 2022 at 19:50 | history | edited | Zoe - Save the data dumpMod |
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Oct 5, 2022 at 15:14 | comment | added | j08691 | How long will this question be pinned? | |
Oct 4, 2022 at 13:58 | history | edited | TylerH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 1, 2022 at 17:17 | answer | added | Jared Greathouse | timeline score: -2 | |
Sep 20, 2022 at 4:56 | history | edited | cottontail | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 20, 2022 at 1:55 | answer | added | Yakk - Adam Nevraumont | timeline score: 5 | |
Sep 15, 2022 at 15:05 | history | edited | Jonathan Leffler | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 15, 2022 at 9:27 | comment | added | Pioneer_11 | IMO it depends on the complexity of the code. It is a few lines and/or for something where there is great documentation then I wouldn't put anything in, you'll only risk getting the wrong idea and confusing people. If the code is more complex I would add a comment asking whoever wrote it to add some comment/explanation and if they don't respond then add a comment/edit it but make it very clear that this is your explanation not the original responder's as giving the wrong explanation is a very good way to make someone very confused. | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 16:15 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | If you disagree with the consensus, then now is your chance to change it. That's the other side of a direct democracy; decisions can be changed if there's a flip in which side has the majority, and that happens regularly in real democracies. But you don't get to change the definition of what a consensus is. 72% in favor is 72% in favor regardless of where you stand, and regardless of which side that 72% benefits | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 16:13 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | A lack of excessive answers defending one side is NOT equivalent to saying the consensus for that side doesn't exist. At best, it means one side has far more to say than the other. I don't understand why the definition of a consensus seems to be so heavily disputed as well, but this doesn't even get close to any border territories. The answer against explanations sits at 72% approval, which is over a majority and a two-thirds supermajority. Consequently, it is the consensus. That's how (direct; indirect is more complicated because representatives) democracy works. | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 16:07 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | answers on the same question. The highest scoring answer in isolation sits at roughly the same percentage now (142 / (142 + 55) = 0.721). It is indeed a consensus; it's simply one where the side against explaining didn't feel the need to spew out a number of answers because of edge-cases with their side | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 16:06 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @LastStar007 And yet, if you assume equal distribution among the five for it, that's 142 vs. 56, assuming no overlap between the one against explaining and the ones for. Multiple answers with a total amount of votes vs. a single answer with many votes does NOT mean one side magically has more votes. The top answer also has 142 upvotes, not 88. 88 was the net of +142 -54 which just changed but I can't be arsed to update the numbers. That's above 70% in favor of not explaining if we follow your incredibly misleading vote count system with disregarding that people can vote on multiple | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 15:35 | comment | added | LastStar007 | @ZoestandswithUkraine I count 88 votes in one answer for not explaining, and 121 votes spread across 5 answers for explaining. I wouldn't call that a consensus, and certainly not a consensus in favor of not explaining. | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 15:25 | comment | added | philipxy | @ZoestandswithUkraine Not sure the +-'s on the pro & con answers should be described as a consensus.. | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 14:28 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @zero298 the other question was closed, and then reopened outside the CV queue, after the CV queue decided to keep it closed. Thanks to a COI, I can't re-hammer | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 14:26 | comment | added | zero298 | I don't understand why the other question isn't just closed as a duplicate of this. Surely other questions with differing high vote counts have happened before. What was the course of action in those cases? | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 14:25 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @Michael because some people have decided to refuse the consensus established here. I featured to let the community hash this out one last time, in whatever direction that may be | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 14:24 | comment | added | zero298 | @Michael likely because of the recent question What was wrong with this suggested edit, which added an explanation for the code in an answer? getting an answer that is almost diametrically opposed to this question's consensus answer. | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 14:24 | comment | added | Kevin B | Because it counters the, "consensus," reached in the more recent iteration of this debate, ;) | |
Sep 14, 2022 at 14:16 | comment | added | Michael come lately | @Zoe Why is this suddenly Featured? I think it's a good question, but I'm not sure why it needs featuring. | |
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Sep 11, 2022 at 15:32 | answer | added | einpoklum | timeline score: 42 | |
Feb 26, 2022 at 12:22 | comment | added | user5349916 | FWIW, I don’t see much point in explaining the code of the example answer. It’s a bad way of doing something that has a common, superior solution. Repeating that bad solution thrice is not a benefit. | |
Feb 25, 2022 at 19:50 | history | edited | Faraaz Kurawle | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 23, 2022 at 11:59 | comment | added | nigel222 | I would always comment, not edit. F. ex. "Bug? <X> should be <Y>?". In my experiemnce the author usually responds "Thanks. Fixed" and edits his answer. If I disagree in a more philosophical way with the code rather than a trivial detail thereof, I might post my own version as another answer, linking to the original answer. | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 21:15 | answer | added | Clonkex | timeline score: 57 | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 13:08 | answer | added | codewario | timeline score: -4 | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 12:42 | answer | added | user5349916 | timeline score: 10 | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 11:28 | comment | added | RyanfaeScotland | @philipxy I still don't understand where you are coming from. If you want to explain it further I'll consider it further but equally happy to leave it there and accept we disagree but have both put our thoughts forward. | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 11:23 | comment | added | philipxy | @RyanfaeScotland The "domain" is the abstract/application, not the program state. | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 11:06 | comment | added | RyanfaeScotland |
@philipxy the comments aren't useless/redundant to the future readers who aren't domain experts and don't understand what the code does. Q: "How do I split a banana?" A: Knife.Slice(banana, 1, 6) . If that was all the answer was can you tell me what Knife.Slice does? Presumably it splits a banana, but what do the parameters do? An edit to add that info is useful. Edit: "Knife.Slice takes the item you want to slice, how many of them and how many pieces you want each sliced into. In this example it would return an array of 6 BananaSlices. You can read more here: official docs"
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Feb 22, 2022 at 9:44 | comment | added | philipxy | @RyanfaeScotland All you are doing is pointlessly repeating the effect of the code on the program state, a la useless/redundant comments. You are not explaining it in terms of the abstract/application state. Such an explanation is not determined by the code & should be judged by votes after posting. (Your banana example is misleading: in the original banana comment we don't know the import of "I have a banana"; bananas being part of the real world, it might seem like you are giving an abstract/application explanation, but your analogy changes having a banana to be mere program state.) | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 9:25 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | To stay with the banana example, any domain expert on bananas should be perfectly able to understand the code and explain it. So any monkey should be able to make an edit there. If only the original Fruit Salad maker can explain what he/she did there and didn't ... then the code is probably useless. | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 1:23 | answer | added | Ian Boyd | timeline score: 94 | |
Feb 22, 2022 at 0:03 | comment | added | RyanfaeScotland |
@MonkeyZeus - Your code doesn't discuss supply issues so we can't expand on that but that doesn't mean it can't be explained further. I have a banana follows the typical subject-verb-object structure of an English sentence, in this case I refers to the OP, MonkeyZeus, have a refers to the type of relationship between the subject and object, here it is possession, banana is the common yellow pealable fruit, commonly associated with monkeys, which the sentence is declaring MonkeyZeus has. If you had put this.HasA(new Banana()) you can surely see how more info makes it clearer?
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Feb 21, 2022 at 19:40 | answer | added | ΩmegaMan | timeline score: -5 | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 14:41 | comment | added | MonkeyZeus | @FaraazKurawle Exactly. Only I can explain my code. | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 13:59 | history | edited | Faraaz Kurawle | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 21, 2022 at 13:56 | comment | added | Faraaz Kurawle | @MonkeyZeus what?, can you please explain your self. | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 13:55 | comment | added | MonkeyZeus |
Consider this "code": I have a banana . Now explain whether this is due to an apple shortage or a banana surplus.
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S Feb 21, 2022 at 13:49 | vote | accept | Faraaz Kurawle | ||
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Feb 21, 2022 at 9:38 | comment | added | ㅤㅤㅤ | @richardec I disagree. Some cases are clear. A code does one thing, regardless of the OP's intentions. | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 8:49 | answer | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | timeline score: 115 | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 5:04 | comment | added | Vipertecpro | It depends on how old question or answer is ...i suggest if author did not put explanation within a week then you can give explanation to it. I mean how hard is to find explaination of what you wrote within in a week ? or i think 2 week is more than enough to find what you wrote isn't it ? | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 1:33 | comment | added | user17242583 | Don't do this. It can very, very easily go against the OP's original intent. | |
Feb 21, 2022 at 0:41 | comment | added | mickmackusa | It is not scalable to fix the posts, we must find a way to fix the contributors. | |
Feb 20, 2022 at 23:08 | answer | added | philipxy | timeline score: 134 | |
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Feb 20, 2022 at 14:51 | history | asked | Faraaz Kurawle | CC BY-SA 4.0 |