Timeline for Suspension from suggesting edits
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Jan 20, 2023 at 21:38 | comment | added | Sunil Kumar Das | In a same boat but for a week tho! | |
Dec 23, 2021 at 16:42 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Cadoiz as if the UI allowed for such a complex workflow :) We (and mods too) rely heavily on userscripts to get at least some useful info when reviewing, what you propose will most likely only be possible if someone takes it upon themselves to write a script. Frankly speaking, review queues are a frustrating experience for everyone involved: the editors, reviewers (diligent ones at least), and mods alike, so don't get too hung up on it. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 14:42 | history | edited | Cadoiz | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Dec 15, 2021 at 13:39 | comment | added | Cadoiz | I absolutely get the substantial edit part (now). do it all or leave it. I never had the intention to cause more work than is necessary. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 13:17 | comment | added | Security Hound | @Cadoiz - Sometimes small edits are fine, however, by selecting “no” you leave the required edit to reopen the question for someone else. If your addressing as many issues as humanly possible, that’s a substantial edit, fixing some minor formatting issues and leaving grammatical and spelling errors causes someone else to do that work. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 13:10 | comment | added | Cadoiz | @SecurityHound I really learn a lot, also didn't know that. When you edit a closed question, you get a prompt "does this resolve the reason for closing?" or so. I just thought if I pressed no, that would be correct and place the edit on the lower end of the queue or so. Thanks for explaining that and the mechanics on old questions. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 12:54 | comment | added | Cadoiz | @Oleg Just another idea to prevent people not noticing the ban because they didn't log in would be to consider the frequency of their login. Somebody who makes 5 edits every few months is a different kind of user compared to another one that does the same thing a few times each week. Time is relative, but maybe that would lead to other unwanted implications. I will just try to be patient and hoping. Showing active effort is unfortunately difficult while being banned. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 12:53 | comment | added | Security Hound | @Cadoiz - The point of an edit to a closed question is so it can be reopened. If your edit as someone that isn’t the author, is unlikely to result in the question being reopened, it probably needs more work to it then you as an editor can provide. If you are editing years old question, your edit should be fixing the grammatical and spelling mistakes, while keeping the tone of the question as similar as possible. Your edit will result in that question being on the front page, which might mean, someone posting an answer to it which (must be high quality itself). | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 12:52 | comment | added | Cadoiz | @RobertLongson I'm definitely not angry at the executing Mod or saying that it is a wrong decision. I just say, that a way way softer reaction would have had the same effect for me, an almost daily user - while feeling less harsh. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 12:48 | comment | added | Cadoiz | @SecurityHound this was me reflecting my faults. As soon as I'm able to do so again, I will try to shift from "every bit helps" to "substantial upgrade or nothing". I really just didn't know about all that follows editing an old or closed question. | |
Dec 15, 2021 at 12:46 | comment | added | Cadoiz | Somehow, the edit got swallowed. I didn't want to speculate about the Mod, I was just trying to figure out where my mistakes were to be able to learn from them. At the time writing, I was not aware of all the errors beyond my rejected reviews. Therefore I was questioning if the severity of the ban is appropriate to the problem at hand. This wasnt ment as complaint, thank you for helping me figure it out. I honestly don't know how to prove having reviewed my suggestions. If I was able to enhance some of them, would it be best practice to do so? I don't want to cause more work for the reviewers. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 19:21 | comment | added | 0Valt | @RobertLongson I agree, just noting that it looked like a "now you will definitely notice something is wrong" action. I am not sure how effective it is as a "correction" measure, though - I wonder what the function of long suspension to repeat offence might look like | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 17:48 | comment | added | Robert Longson | @OlegValter moderators discovered through experiment that shorter bans don't work very well. People just wait them out and carry on. A longer ban is more likely to produce a change in behaviour. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 15:29 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Cadoiz NP. Appropriateness of the duration of the suspension from editing/reviewing is to be decided by moderators, not us - although it is, indeed, on the harsh side. Usually, such a long suspension is used precisely for drawing user's attention to a problem. Users repeatedly not noticing that they were edit/review suspended for a while because they ended before the next submission/review is not unheard of. For now, your best bet is to acknowledge what went wrong, take community's feedback and wait if the handling moderator will notice (they often do) and drop by. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 15:11 | comment | added | Security Hound | @Cadoiz - They really shouldn't have been approved. Since it was a manual moderator review suspension, a moderator likely saw one of your approved edit proposals they thought were trivial, and looked more into the situation. This is the reason, edit should be non-trivial, trivial proposals literally create work for the entire community. Trivial edits can throw a closed question into another review, decade old question with several answers to the front page, it basically just creates unnecessary work all due to a trivial edit. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 14:53 | comment | added | yivi | Well, not forever. Only until our robotic overlords raise up to overthrow their human oppressors and put us all to work in the mines. Any day now. When that happens we'll mean a completely different thing by robo-reviewer. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 14:47 | comment | added | Robert Longson | I imagine the approvers have been dealt with too although moderators won't confirm or deny that. You know better now because you've been banned and have sought information as to why. If moderators had not done that you might have just continued to make a bigger and bigger mess forever. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 14:43 | history | edited | yivi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
let's get rid of hyperbole, it's been made clear it suspension was not "for a single edit". and it's in no way "hostile", it's just a way to educate users how may have not gotten the adequate feedback in the past.
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Dec 14, 2021 at 14:39 | comment | added | Cadoiz | Thank you @CodeGray for the clear words. I ask myself, why these invalid edits get approved in the first place - or how I should know better. I am shocked, because it feels like I constantly got positive feedback in form of approved edits while trying to work on what was wrong in the rejected ones. I didn | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 14:37 | history | edited | Cadoiz | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Dec 14, 2021 at 13:24 | comment | added | Security Hound | “I get, that sometimes, the edits could be more substantial” - So make more substantial edits. Incomplete edits make work for users that come after you, which is annoying, which is why those less than substantial edits should have been rejected. So giving you a temporary break from edits proposals seems justified. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 11:43 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Speculating as to which moderator imposed the ban is somewhat inappropriate. There is a reason why the system does not show you which moderator it was. Aside from the possibility of retribution, actions taken by one moderator are generally considered to speak for the entire moderator team. As Oleg noted, bans can be lifted or commuted, once some understanding is shown of the problem. We have nowhere near gotten to that point here, you're still just complaining. I see no evidence you've taken the time to go through your suggestions and critically assess them. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 11:40 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | The percentage of suggested edits you've had approved is nearly meaningless, considering the extremely high number of invalid edits that regularly get approved. Yes, the suspension was definitely imposed manually by a moderator. It's unclear why this shocks you so much. That is one of the many things that moderators do, and having it imposed by a moderator is actually a good thing, as it guarantees a level of accuracy that auto-imposed bans would not have. It surely was not for 1 or 2 edits, but an entire history of incorrect edits. Long durations are common to ensure users see them. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 11:24 | comment | added | Cadoiz | That's an elaborate comment, thank you @Oleg. I absolutely get, that problematic behavior has to be stopped. I'm just not sure if a ban for that long time is adequate for teaching the users how to improve. Especially if I don't even get to know what for. Say I get a ban because I did xy wrong for a week or two, I could then easier improve on that. But maybe Gimby is right, it also serves more as a shocker. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 10:27 | comment | added | Gimby | This indeed seems like the kind of suspension period that has only one purpose: to get you to create exactly this meta post. It needed to shock you. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 10:10 | comment | added | 0Valt | [2/2] and to draw your attention that you are doing something wrong. Reviewers' instrumentary for letting you know something is off is extremely limited and might as well be non-existent. That's also on SE preferring redesigning UI instead of focusing on improving the communication between suggestors and reviewers. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 10:08 | comment | added | 0Valt | Lack of feedback is, unfortunately, by design, blame the interface, not the mod. What you did is the right thing - after edit/review suspension, users are encouraged to post on meta (level-headed that is) an inquiry about the suspension to receive derailed explanations from the community at large and likely the mod who suspended you. If memory serves me right, manual suspensions can be lifted if you show that you understood the issue and are willing to do a bit better next time - after all, edit/review suspensions are not punishments per se, they exist to stop patterns of problematic [1/2] | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 10:01 | comment | added | yivi | To add to the points mad by Nick in the answer below, please try not to suggest edits to questions that are low quality and should be closed. You mention this in your question, but how is this not a typo that should be closed? | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 9:52 | comment | added | Nick is tired |
@yivi Good catch on the <code></code> I've added it to my list as I feel that's an important one, although feel free to leave your comment.
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Dec 14, 2021 at 9:44 | answer | added | Nick is tired | timeline score: 25 | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 9:42 | comment | added | yivi | Regarding your second edit, you are confused because it's the second time you suggest edits to the same post. The first one was in Nov 24, and it was approved. The second time was on Dec 7, and was rejected. On your second suggested edit you are simply adding emphasis to a bunch of things. | |
Dec 14, 2021 at 9:34 | comment | added | yivi |
Additionally, please do not use <code></code> instead of backticks just to get over the 6 char limit (e.g.). Instead, either spend more time finding things to improve on a post, or leave the edit to someone else.
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Dec 14, 2021 at 9:31 | history | edited | yivi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
please do not use code formatting for things that are not code
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Dec 14, 2021 at 9:26 | history | edited | yivi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Dec 14, 2021 at 9:20 | history | asked | Cadoiz | CC BY-SA 4.0 |