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Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution It's an unfamiliar situation that for once, users aren't the primary content creators (but rather people from outside (kind of)). So far, all users together have created the content. Now it feels to me a bit like content coming more from the outside but with additional feedback ability from inside. It will be interesting to see who is going to write Articles and what motivates the Article creators to do that.
Dec 6, 2021 at 13:43 comment added Philippe StaffMod @OlegValter Philippe reads these conversations. I've read every comment here so far. :-) I'm purposely not weighing in yet on many of them, to allow time for the community sentiment to settle. (FWIW, I agree that CM involvement is not scalable. There are several ways to handle that - add more staff, use tooling, etc - but I agree on the problem.)
Dec 2, 2021 at 21:06 comment added 0Valt @Trilarion yeah, actually, I would love to see them (stripped of rep and with subject to proper curation, of course) extrapolated to the pubplat as a whole, I think they have potential too. As a collectives feature... not so much, but since they are likely to stay, and we are here defining the guidelines, what is worrying me is the enforceability of them. CMs' involvement by-article is not scalable at all (I hope Philippe reads these conversations), so unless we also define the mechanisms of ensuring articles stay aligned to the guidelines, I forsee severe quality issues...
Dec 2, 2021 at 17:26 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution @Philippe You're right. It's too early. We've done our job here and now should lean back and await what interesting stuff might have been held back. :)
Dec 2, 2021 at 11:41 comment added Philippe StaffMod Trilarion, as another data point, our clients are telling us that they have some content for articles, but they're sitting on it until the guidelines are created. So I think it's a little early to make the assumption that we've overestimated the demand. :). You may be right - but this is just another data point.
Dec 1, 2021 at 21:37 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution @OlegValter I don't see many Articles in the near future. The rules here will lift the quality but also make them harder to write. Already now there aren't many. Who is going to write these high quality how-to guides? The appetite of companys to contribute to a knowledge library seems to have been overestimated. I like the idea of Articles alone for everyone, but Articles together with Collectives doesn't work. It will always be a compromise and probably one that doesn't work. Time will tell.
Dec 1, 2021 at 17:57 comment added 0Valt @Trilarion this is what this likely will amount to... I am worried, though, that this case-by-case basis will go out of hand as soon as collectives start to multiply. I wonder if that will really happen given that clients do not seem to be interested in articles regardless.
Dec 1, 2021 at 17:40 comment added Kevin B that's... effectively why I feel like we're going in the wrong direction with articles. We're asking marketing people to write technical guides without being "too promotional," when the entire purpose of Collectives is promotional. It's another case of a solution in search of a problem. In this case the problem is already solved, so it's a solution trying to solve an already solved problem in a "different" way.
Dec 1, 2021 at 17:25 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution I still see the whole Articles feature as mostly promotional in nature (basically sponsored content). I guess the proposed rule 2.9 is an emergency exit for SO Inc in case the situation goes out of hand. We don't need to define excessive now, the company will simply declare the promotions to be excessive if users start complaining a lot about them. I guess we might get meta questions of type "This Article is overly promotional because ... should it be deleted".
Dec 1, 2021 at 15:22 comment added 0Valt @Trilarion yeah, likely. Although I am a bit more bothered by the enforceability of the rule rather than what it implies by itself - given the current state of affairs, articles require direct involvement of a CM for every offending article to be edited in shape or removed, this is going to be a disaster when the flood gates are open.
Dec 1, 2021 at 14:43 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution Probably all of the Articles within one Collective will deal with this company's/collective's technology. This is already promotional in itself. Now everything that goes on top of that like "this is our newest and best product in the line, you can buy it at ..." might be seen as excessive, I can imagine.
Dec 1, 2021 at 12:27 history edited Rafael Tavares CC BY-SA 4.0
Citing the rule so it's easier to see the current wording
Dec 1, 2021 at 12:14 history answered 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0