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Final revision: So with the latest addition of the Intel Collective, and in the absence of any movement with the community drafting guidelines or an understanding of why this exists at all, I'm not convinced that me trying to get the company to talk about why we're doing this or what we'll be doing it for is going to bear any fruit. I'll be withdrawing from engaging on this going forward.

Original post below.


EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is:
  
How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this engagement is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


  

Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

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Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is:
  How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this engagement is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


 

Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

Final revision: So with the latest addition of the Intel Collective, and in the absence of any movement with the community drafting guidelines or an understanding of why this exists at all, I'm not convinced that me trying to get the company to talk about why we're doing this or what we'll be doing it for is going to bear any fruit. I'll be withdrawing from engaging on this going forward.

Original post below.


EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is: 
How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this engagement is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.

 

Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

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EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is:
How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this communicationengagement is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is:
How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this communication is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is:
How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this engagement is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

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EDIT: Apparently I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that the community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A, and we have run into very real technical issues on trying to work with them as well as confronting the philosophical issues of moderating content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but not public Q&A), in light of the fact that Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators, and in light of the fact that the company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give, the...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is, :
howHow is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all? Are

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening? With

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this communication is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to) raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

EDIT: Apparently I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that the community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A, and we have run into very real technical issues on trying to work with them as well as confronting the philosophical issues of moderating content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but not public Q&A), in light of the fact that Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators, and in light of the fact that the company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give, the question I want answered is, how is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all? Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening? With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this communication is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have (and for some reason continue to) raise their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

EDIT: I'm getting a lot of confused responses and comments on this.

The cliff-notes version of this question is:

In light of the fact that...

  • The community hasn't had a chance to reckon with how Collectives fit in with normal Q&A
  • We have run into very real technical issues in trying to work with them
  • We have had to confront the philosophical issues of moderating types of content we've never seen before (reminder that a feature like this exists in Stack Overflow for Teams but never in public Q&A)
  • Collectives can only really exist because of the dedication of curators
  • The company is giving the distinct impression of moving forward with this feature in spite of the feedback the community is giving or wants to give

The question I want answered is:
How is the company incorporating feedback into this feature, if at all?

Are curators who have enabled this feature to exist at all even being heard, and what are the explicit ways that we can observe that's happening?

With the introduction of this new collective, I am not of the impression that this communication is happening at all.

No one wants to talk about money, or profit margins, or any of that crap. I legitimately don't want to be gaslit on how the company plans to or how they are actively engaging with the veteran curators of the site who have raised (and for some reason continue to raise) their concerns with this feature.

Original post below.


Apparently, we have GitLab as a new collective now.

enter image description here

Some things about this discourage me in regards to the feedback we've provided about collectives at all - it seems like the company is going to move forward with adding new ones in spite of how the community feels about it.

Is the company going to circle back to read through the copious amounts of feedback and pain points that the community has had with this feature before they continue to add more, or is that not on the table?

I should be upfront with my expectations on this answer. I don't want to be gaslit anymore about engagement with the community. Tell me how you're going to respond to and engage with feedback, if at all, and simply set my expectations. I want this to be completely unambiguous and not leave any room for doubt.

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