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Braiam
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We need to aggressively discourage them from doing this. Don't acquiesce to sudden and arbitrary UX changes by saying, "Well, we've done this before, so let's do it again?" Do you have any idea how irritating is is to have some new person in charge of community come to us and pledge to work with the community or at least not cast us aside, and then allow this whole arbitrary thing to happen on their watch? That doesn't rub me the right way and given that I work in an industry where their PaaS offering would have an impact, interactions like this are pretty valuable - it'd be unwise for them to continue down this trend.

We need to aggressively discourage them from doing this. Don't acquiesce to sudden and arbitrary UX changes by saying, "Well, we've done this before, so let's do it again?" Do you have any idea how irritating is is to have some new person in charge of community come to us and pledge to work with the community or at least not cast us aside, and then allow this whole arbitrary thing to happen on their watch? That doesn't rub me the right way and given that I work in an industry where their PaaS offering would have an impact, interactions like this are pretty valuable - it'd be unwise for them to continue down this trend.

We need to aggressively discourage them from doing this. Don't acquiesce to sudden and arbitrary UX changes by saying, "Well, we've done this before, so let's do it again?" Do you have any idea how irritating is to have some new person in charge of community come to us and pledge to work with the community or at least not cast us aside, and then allow this whole arbitrary thing to happen on their watch? That doesn't rub me the right way and given that I work in an industry where their PaaS offering would have an impact, interactions like this are pretty valuable - it'd be unwise for them to continue down this trend.

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I vehemently disagree with this feature request.

I'll categorically respond to your reasons.

Detecting a pattern of fraudulent voting cannot be determined by the total number of votes cast. Whenever a form of targeted voting is investigated, moderators are known to rely on more informative patterns and to escalate to staff when needed. Any flag for moderator attention regarding suspicion of voting fraud should try to state their concerns and suspicions without mentioning these total counts.

This is a false flag. Mere mortals (i.e. non-diamond moderators) have no involvement in the detection of fraudulent voting. The best anyone can do is raise a flag suspecting someone of fraudulent voting, not track it themselves.

We generally agree that comments trying to make a point via the upvote/downvote ratio are not constructive. ...By the answers presented, there is no controversy in the statement that these comments are something that we do not want to keep nor encourage.

I feel like my remark is being overgeneralized here.

First and foremost, any non-constructive comments should be removed. But that doesn't automatically make comments or discussions about the up/down voting ratio non-constructive. Talking about whether or not people are actively curating is critical to discussing or highlighting the effectiveness or ability of us to curate content, and that shouldn't be hidden from public conversation.

Highlighting an individual's up/down vote ratio is not necessarily constructive. Talking about how we're doing on the whole can be constructive.

There's something else about this that I want to be sure that gets mentioned - but a change like this wouldn't just impact Stack Overflow. It'd also impact smaller sites who have very different vibes and cultures on how they use the site. My advice and your perspective for Stack Overflow shouldn't be carelessly applied as a blanket to every site, since not every site's community feels the same way about the up/down ratio.

These numbers tend to create a stigma against users, more than they help educate them.

This doesn't...fix that, though. The biggest stigma comes from the fact that we have a lot of people who believe firmly that downvoting is just plain rude. So, to "balance" this out, they upvote. Sorry, but hiding this count from a profile doesn't mean that the community is suddenly going to start seeing the value in curation, or get past the biases of curating.

The user's acceptance rate was eventually taken out from the asker's user card because it was effectively counter-productive: it resulted in potential answerers deciding to walk away from questions that they could have answered, as well as in askers being pressured and harassed towards accepting answers just to increase this metric.

This was a necessary change because it was front-and-center, and it legitimately led to a lot of meta discussions about whether or not it was worth answering someone's question if their acceptance rate wasn't high enough. The comments I've seen about a users up/down ratio are probably a fraction of this and I would want to see it more of an endemic problem more than a perception before I'd liken it to acceptance rate.

Stack Overflow the company also doesn't have an issue in making unilateral changes to the user profile page, as well exhibited recently.

We need to aggressively discourage them from doing this. Don't acquiesce to sudden and arbitrary UX changes by saying, "Well, we've done this before, so let's do it again?" Do you have any idea how irritating is is to have some new person in charge of community come to us and pledge to work with the community or at least not cast us aside, and then allow this whole arbitrary thing to happen on their watch? That doesn't rub me the right way and given that I work in an industry where their PaaS offering would have an impact, interactions like this are pretty valuable - it'd be unwise for them to continue down this trend.

This doesn't stop people from sharing their own voting ratios.

Yeah, but no one's going to because it never comes up in the normal course of conversation, even today.