Timeline for It is time to hide a user profile's total upvote/downvote count from public view
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Jan 21, 2022 at 10:17 | vote | accept | E_net4 | ||
Oct 7, 2021 at 13:33 | comment | added | oguz ismail | Come on. It's the only thing in my profile that I can boast about. | |
Oct 7, 2021 at 11:48 | answer | added | E_net4 | timeline score: 1 | |
Sep 10, 2021 at 8:42 | history | edited | E_net4 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
clarify feature request: hide the up/down counters; keep it visible to moderators
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Sep 9, 2021 at 21:32 | comment | added | E_net4 | @MartijnPieters Ok, it hadn't occurred to me that moderators found that information useful, so I stand corrected on that matter. Leaving it available to moderators was something that I had in an early revision of this feature request, in fact. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 20:53 | comment | added | Bhargav Rao Mod | But ... But ... I do want others to see my upvote/downvote ratio i.sstatic.net/fSWUo.png | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 20:47 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 14 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 20:32 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | As a moderator: I rely on these stats, daily. Do not remove them. As an account holder with more downvotes than you have: I have not experienced people calling me salty, grumpy, or a psychopath in connection with my voting stats. Moderators tend to deal with very salty characters but that has never been connected with my voting stats. So I don’t share your opinion on this. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 19:49 | comment | added | user4581301 | Never looked at that stat before. I'm damn near 50/50. Neat. I'm not the complete <expletive deleted>hole I thought I was. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 19:23 | comment | added | gnat | please consider editing to clarify the suggestion. Text of this post suggests that proposal is about hiding whole "Votes cast" section, including "by type", "month", "week", "day" columns while title makes an impression that proposal is about only removing "all time" column which shows counts for votes up and down. This seems quite confusing | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 19:15 | comment | added | E_net4 | @MartinJames You don't need the user's vote count to know when to ignore that kind of moaning. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 19:03 | comment | added | Martin James | I like the numbers. When some user complains about curation and has a low vote total and high up/down ratio, I can just ignore their moaning. If they are also asking for, say, extended explanations for votes, I know that they are asking for extra work from others while putting in no effort themselves:( | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:39 | comment | added | Kevin B | I do have such a stigma, users who exist on the network, providing valuable content for years, or even more than an decade, without casting a single downvote are users who shouldn't be trusted to be mods. They're great at what they do, and i appreciate their contributions, but moderation requires actually being willing to take action when necessary. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:36 | answer | added | Kevin B | timeline score: 18 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:33 | comment | added | E_net4 | @KevinM.Mansour This form of personal attack is not only done by new users. Some users have garnered more than 10k rep and still have a strong stigma against users with a significant difference between the two kinds of votes. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:31 | comment | added | Ghost | If some new users will not understand this information correctly or will attack downvoters with "troll" or etc, why not to make it a privilege since it might be useful is some cases as well. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:26 | comment | added | yivi | @KevinB One has agency about avatar, profile name, and post history. It's fine that one thinks about what other think these things. One changes these things explicitly so they are connected to one's profile. It's not fine if it affects your voting patterns. And that does happen, even if it doesn't happen to you personally. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:26 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @KevinB: Of course I flagged all of it :-) | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:25 | history | edited | 0Valt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 9, 2021 at 15:24 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Cerbrus so... if it is dead, does it mean we are all necroposting? I'll see myself out... On a more on-topic note - yea, that does look like a problematic metric to show to others as it helps them label voters. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:18 | comment | added | Kevin B | @Cerbrus Flag it. The same complaints can happen over a user's avatar, or name, or asking/answering history. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:16 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @KevinB I've been told I'm the "Bad guy", and that "SO is dead because of me" for predominantly downvoting, in the past 24 hours... So yea. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 15:06 | answer | added | Braiam | timeline score: 4 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 14:56 | answer | added | yivi | timeline score: -11 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 14:16 | comment | added | Kevin B | The voting habits of moderators (whether they actually act on problematic content or let is slide) is a rather important piece of information for moderator elections. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 14:15 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @KevinB It was a recurring topic in the 2019 election | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 14:13 | comment | added | Kevin B | I mean, I've never once been "attacked" or insulted over my 30k+ downvotes. Is this actually a prevalent problem? | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:43 | answer | added | user5349916 | timeline score: 7 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:38 | comment | added | yivi | It will, though. Sure, they can call you out on different things. But that you can die of food poisoning is not a good reason for not using a helmet when riding a motorbike. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:38 | answer | added | DharmanMod | timeline score: 3 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:37 | comment | added | user5349916 | I really don't like the implication of having to disguise this information due to negative reactions. If someone feels my up/down ratio warrants calling me "grumpy. Salty. Hostile. Psychopath." – hiding this information from them isn't going to solve the problem. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:34 | comment | added | Tom | I actually find that information useful when we're having a mod election, but for everything else not so much. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:25 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | @HereticMonkey I (successfully) flagged several such voting rings (but the flag history is hard to navigate) and I'm not even actively looking for them. Since it also seems to be pretty easy to set up, I could imagine the actual numbers to not be too low. Mods may be able to share more insights. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:23 | answer | added | Ryan MMod | timeline score: 9 | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:04 | comment | added | Scratte | @PeterMortensen I'm sure some will also cast a delete vote. I do not have that privilege. I used to flag "Not an Answers". Those posts are usually deleted within the day and I got my votes back. On busy days, I'd cast 60 votes on a day. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 13:04 | comment | added | Ryan M Mod | @PeterMortensen Votes on deleted posts are refunded, so if you downvote a bunch of posts that you expect to be deleted before the end of the day (for example, because they're NAA), then you can cast more votes. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:55 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | @Scratte: Suggesting delete votes are cast at the same time (or super delete votes if there is such a thing)? A predictor of what will be deleted within a few hours does not seem plausible. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:51 | comment | added | Heretic Monkey | @JeanneDark I think that's quite a specific case. I'm not sure that it's a frequent enough occurrence to offset the negatives brought up in the OP. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:50 | comment | added | Scratte | @PeterMortensen If a post that you voted on is deleted during the same UTC day, you get the vote "back". It still counts on your total, and it still applies on the post. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:45 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | @HereticMonkey I would know the total number before the incident happened because then the new user account didn't yet exist / had enough reputation to even cast upvotes. Don't you think that seeing the new user cast 7 upvotes, 3 to questions, 4 to answers and the OP in the same time receive 3 upvotes to questions and 4 to answers (via reputation tab) is useful info in a flag for a mod to dig deeper? | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:43 | comment | added | BSMP | I straight up forgot this information was visible. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:42 | comment | added | yivi | @Peter The issue is the ratio breakdown being public, not the total number of votes being public | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:41 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | I would argue votes are more visible in the voting league. (BTW, how can someone vote more than 110 times on average per day when there is a limit of 40 votes per day (554 votes on day 5 = average 110.8)?) | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:41 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | *gatekeeping | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:40 | comment | added | Heretic Monkey | @JeanneDark How would the total number of upvotes help in that flag? You would have to know the total before the incident occurred. In other words, you'd need to see a trend, something a single number doesn't tell you, unless you scrape the user profiles periodically. I would think the developers would have access to much more accurate and interesting data. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:28 | comment | added | Scratte | @yivi I wouldn't mind if it was non-anonymous. I don't mind that it is either. I do not think hiding the total ratio is going to change the snark, it will just redirect it to something else. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:27 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | "It is not useful for moderation or curation purposes." When witnessing a new user's low quality answer (non-answer or low-quality rip-off of other answer) being quickly accepted and/or upvoted, the OP receive many upvotes quickly and the new user already having cast a matching amount of upvotes, I thought this was useful info to include in a mod flag. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:27 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | You forgot toxic, elitist (whatever that means), and gate keeping in your list near "grumpy". | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:25 | comment | added | yivi | Transparency is not inherently good for all things, @Scratte. Would you support non-anonymous voting as well? | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:23 | comment | added | Scratte | Despite getting snarky comments about my own voting habits, I don't think hiding things is a good path. I prefer transparency. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:22 | comment | added | yivi | I cannot help but wonder at the motivations for users who want to keep these stats public. Hopefully they'll post answers. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 12:20 | history | edited | E_net4 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 9, 2021 at 12:13 | comment | added | Gimby | ... actually yes. This one makes a lot of sense. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 11:46 | comment | added | yivi | I only upvoted this question to get a better voting ratio in meta. | |
Sep 9, 2021 at 11:22 | history | asked | E_net4 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |