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+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple of things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down?.

Top-down Exampleexample: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up Exampleexample: Answer A has a very large number of votes. Nearly all of A's votes are between 5 and 10 years old. Answer B has relatively few votes (say, half what A has). But B's votes are spread out evenly over the past 10 years. A's votes that are older are given somewhat less weight per vote than B's votes of the same age. Age-based weight is informed by the trend for the answer itself, rather than a single weight applied across all answers.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JSJavaScript approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

NotI am not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more hand-wavyhandwavy, but it may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.

+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down?

Top-down Example: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up Example: Answer A has a very large number of votes. Nearly all of A's votes are between 5 and 10 years old. Answer B has relatively few votes (say, half what A has). But B's votes are spread out evenly over the past 10 years. A's votes that are older are given somewhat less weight per vote than B's votes of the same age. Age-based weight is informed by the trend for the answer itself, rather than a single weight applied across all answers.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JS approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

Not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more hand-wavy, but may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.

+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple of things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down.

Top-down example: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up example: Answer A has a very large number of votes. Nearly all of A's votes are between 5 and 10 years old. Answer B has relatively few votes (say, half what A has). But B's votes are spread out evenly over the past 10 years. A's votes that are older are given somewhat less weight per vote than B's votes of the same age. Age-based weight is informed by the trend for the answer itself, rather than a single weight applied across all answers.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JavaScript approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

I am not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more handwavy, but it may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.

re-worded part of the suggestion for clarity
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jinglesthula
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+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down?

Top-down Example: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up Example: an answer withAnswer A has a very large number of votes, nearly. Nearly all of whichA's votes are more than nbetween 5 and 10 years old weighs those older votes less than an answer with fewer overall. Answer B has relatively few votes (say, but whichhalf what A has had consistent). But B's votes are spread out evenly over time weighs itsthe past 10 years. A's votes that are older are given somewhat less weight per vote than B's votes of the same age. Age-based weight is informed by the trend for the answer itself, rather than a single weight applied across all answers.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JS approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

Not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more hand-wavy, but may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.

+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down?

Top-down Example: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up Example: an answer with a very large number of votes, nearly all of which are more than n years old weighs those older votes less than an answer with fewer overall votes, but which has had consistent votes over time weighs its older votes.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JS approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

Not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more hand-wavy, but may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.

+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down?

Top-down Example: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up Example: Answer A has a very large number of votes. Nearly all of A's votes are between 5 and 10 years old. Answer B has relatively few votes (say, half what A has). But B's votes are spread out evenly over the past 10 years. A's votes that are older are given somewhat less weight per vote than B's votes of the same age. Age-based weight is informed by the trend for the answer itself, rather than a single weight applied across all answers.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JS approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

Not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more hand-wavy, but may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.

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jinglesthula
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+1 for adding a weighting system favoring newer votes.

May I suggest a couple things?

Suggestion 1:

I suggest a bottom-up weighting system, rather than a top-down?

Top-down Example: all votes on all answers are weighted evenly based on age.

Bottom-up Example: an answer with a very large number of votes, nearly all of which are more than n years old weighs those older votes less than an answer with fewer overall votes, but which has had consistent votes over time weighs its older votes.

That is, a weighting system that tries to determine the "current best" answer. Not that the above example is the right/only/best way to do this, but I wanted to promote the idea of looking at the nuances in an approach to surfacing value. Paraphrasing the OP, "Reality is complicated." +1 also for taking into account copying from answers in addition to votes. All value signals taken into account, with time factored in.

Suggestion 2:

Also of note, that sorting in itself is not the only way to communicate answer value to users. An answer, wherever it falls in the sort order, could be marked with an annotation, such as "best answer from 2012 - 2017". As an example, for a question about a JS approach to a particular problem, knowing that an older answer really was the very best answer with ES5, taken together with the "2018-preset best answer" (based on ES2015+ widespread support) annotation on the answer at the top of the sort order, can greatly inform a developer. "Ah, this is the old way of doing it, so when I see that in the code base, I know I can use the more declarative/expressive new way."

Not saying an annotation including language like "best" is actually appropriate (or even meaningful, as "best" needs context and is more complex than simple). Maybe "most valued" or similar. "Community resonance" may be nearer the mark, but less clear. "Scientific score" is more hand-wavy, but may do the job, especially if a description of how it's applied is provided.