Timeline for Is this comment really "not nice"?
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Sep 4, 2021 at 9:22 | comment | added | einpoklum | @MARSK: It's great when can all just get along and be appreciative and respectful, and not at all snide. | |
Sep 4, 2021 at 9:17 | comment | added | einpoklum | @Clockwork: I agree with what you said except for the "entirely". It depends somewhat on how your day went. But - even under your characterization, it cannot be seen to have crossed the CoC not-niceness threshold. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 23:37 | comment | added | Clockwork | This is only my two cents, but I thought I would participate all the same. I think I can see why you think it wasn't "not nice". The problem is that, on one hand, "you are not thinking" could be a personal attack, questioning the person's capability to think (that's a subtle put-down). And on the other hand, it could also simply mean that the person's thought process is being challenged (underlining that it's simply wrong). Which interpretation is understood depends entirely on how the person's day went (I'm thinking anyone with a rough day is more keen to take things personally - no proof). | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 20:31 | comment | added | TylerH | @einpoklum I have no idea what you're trying to say with points #2 and #3. They make absolutely no sense. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 20:31 | comment | added | TylerH | @einpoklum It sounds like you have some misguided understanding of how moderators "must" operate. There's nothing preventing a soft touch of moderation (and in fact its encouraged). If a comment is partially useful and partially unfriendly, it's a far better outcome to edit the unfriendly contents out of the comment than just delete it and/or put the poster in the penalty box, silently or otherwise. Mods can edit comments, and sometimes do, though rarely. My proposed process above would be even more of a light touch, because it includes discussing it beforehand with the poster. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 20:26 | comment | added | einpoklum | @TylerH: 1. Don't try to present CoC procedures as an innocuous contact with OP to make suggestions about his tone. That's like saying the police and a prosecutor contacting you. 2. Application of the CoC cannot be an ideal outcome: Unfair procedures are always something to lament, even if in some cases the outcome is independently justifiable (and this would not be one of those cases). 3. You have a blind spot regarding unfriendliness and un-niceness in the pursuit of goals you find worthy. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 20:05 | comment | added | TylerH | @einpoklum That's simply not true. Contacting OP to discuss editing the contents of the comment to be more about the problem and less about the user is an ideal outcome (which is what I would do if I were the authority acting on this). Being nice and friendly in that situation is also irrelevant to whether the comment's contents could be nicer/friendly, so I'm not sure why you mention that. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 19:50 | comment | added | einpoklum | @TylerH: Let's just say... it is infinitely nicer and more friendly than the behavior you say you would have engaged in had you the authority to do so. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 19:03 | comment | added | TylerH | @einpoklum My argument's point is that I disagree with that position. Were I responsible for enforcing the CoC, I would not leave the comment standing as is, because I view it as violating the CoC. It is not just "not sufficiently friendly", it is not "friendly" at all. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 18:56 | history | edited | einpoklum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 3, 2021 at 18:31 | comment | added | einpoklum | @TylerH: See my reply to to Peter. It may not be subjectively friendly, but it's sufficiently friendly for purposes of CoC sanctions. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 18:30 | comment | added | einpoklum | @DonaldDuck: If OP had said just said ("you are not thinking") I suppose I would agree. But that's not the entire comment. Regardless - yes, it could be worder to be nicer. But it is still quite acceptable. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 16:26 | comment | added | Donald Duck | @user692942 Pointing out that an approach is bad isn't wrong in itself, but it could be worded differently to make it less personal. I think Paul's answer does a good job at explaining how the same criticism could have been worded differently in order not to come across as rude. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 16:08 | comment | added | TylerH | "you are not thinking, you are cargo-culting. And you should never do that" is not friendly. It may or may not be rude/unfriendly/hostile/whatever, but it is not friendly. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 15:26 | comment | added | user692942 | @DonaldDuck I disagree because if the user's actions posed in the question prove they are not thinking then pointing that out is to their benefit at the end of the day. Getting worked up because someone's pointed out a deficiency in the approach you've taken should be taken on board and learned from not argued over because someone's "woke" feelings have been hurt. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 12:59 | comment | added | Donald Duck | I disagree. "You are not thinking" is definitely not friendly. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 7:37 | comment | added | einpoklum | @Peter-ReinstateMonica: No. It's not really nice, but it's nice enough to just pass. It could be nicer, granted; but given that the site has an enforceable niceness requirement - the definition of nice must necessarily be a wide one. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 7:26 | comment | added | Peter - Reinstate Monica | Calling the comment "sufficiently nice" seems ... wrong. Maybe "isn't quite offensive enough to warrant a suspension"? | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 6:53 | comment | added | Clockwork | @DanMašek It happened to be before. Usually, it's because I could identify myself because of past bad experience. Not saying that it was the case for Joshua though. I'm just giving an example of how it can happen. | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 0:39 | comment | added | Dan Mašek | @Joshua How can you be offended by something that's not even directed at you? | |
Sep 3, 2021 at 0:12 | comment | added | Joshua | I want to upvote this but I can't. I was offended on first read of that comment, and I'm hard to offend. | |
Sep 2, 2021 at 21:20 | history | answered | einpoklum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |