Timeline for Your article is in another castle: should link-only articles be allowed?
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Aug 31, 2021 at 8:26 | comment | added | 0Valt | @CesarM well, of course - I do not have any brawl (heck, practically all my work is done for their products) with Google as a customer of a service. It would be really unwise to place the blame on them as controlled spaces is the value proposition of collectives. These quality concerns have been there from the start, and it just starts to show what it is going to be once the feature goes live unless something is not done urgently. Articles could go through peer review, for example (at least by other recognized members). | |
Aug 27, 2021 at 14:38 | answer | added | MonkeyZeus | timeline score: -2 | |
Aug 26, 2021 at 11:27 | history | edited | 41686d6564 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Aug 26, 2021 at 11:22 | comment | added | 41686d6564 | @Trilarion Well, the actual article (if you follow the link) is much longer. But that is what should've been posted rather than an external link. Putting aside the fact the link-only articles are off-topic, this makes the "1 min read" label very misleading (when you need at least 30 minutes to read the actual article). | |
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Aug 26, 2021 at 8:09 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | The length of this article was very short (four lines), while articles are supposed to be longer than normal Q&A. The Google cloud members should know that in principle. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 18:57 | comment | added | Cesar M StaffMod | @OlegValter See, it is a problem of wording because now I understand the disconnect and where I was unclear. By "company" I meant google cloud, not stack overflow. You interpreted it as Stack Overflow (which is a fair interpretation). I'm not saying SO carries no blame, I'm saying in this instance it wasn't the fault of google cloud - some comments were pointing as if they had submitted two bad articles, when this one wasn't from them. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 18:50 | comment | added | 0Valt | @CesarM the problem is not the poor wording but an attempt to shift the blame. If these slip ups happen on a scale of about half a dozen articles, imagine what an <insert expletive here>-show this is going to be once the feature goes out of beta (not to mention that calling its current state "beta" is a bit of a stretch) next year. And this keeps coming despite significant concerns that gate-keeping is going to make things worse - if that's not what we should blame "the company" for, I do not know what should - bad or underthought decisions should be called out for what they are in my book. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 18:35 | comment | added | Cesar M StaffMod | @Scratte you're completely right and I agree, but that was not my point. All I tried to say is this wasn't a google cloud employee. Probably conveyed it badly. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 18:23 | comment | added | Scratte | @CesarM I think reputation is irrelevant when it comes to knowing the rules of the site. How many flags did they raise? Do they review? Or do they just collect reputation points? I'm pretty sure there are some users around with.. say 101 reputation points, that just may know the rules better. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 18:06 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | On the bright side, number of posted articles so far, is so low, we can bring every single one to the meta ;) | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 18:03 | comment | added | 0Valt | @CesarM - it is worth noting, though, that last time I checked, the articles are posted by "recognized members" only (apart from employees) that I would expect to lead by example given the controversial nature of the feature, not just handed the badge and the privilege and sent sail. I doubt the fact that it was posted not by an employee should have any bearing on the assessment of the situation in the current state of the feature. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 17:56 | comment | added | Cesar M StaffMod | @Zoe you can obviously still write the feature request if you want, but know that this (giving the community more ways to interact with articles and surface/deal with problems) is already something we're planning on doing. The current state is simply not good enough for larger scale use. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 17:55 | answer | added | Cesar MStaffMod | timeline score: 29 | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 17:54 | comment | added | Cesar M StaffMod | @OlegValter I think it's worth remembering that this article was posted by a SO community member who's not a cloud employee and who has more than 20k rep on SO, so I don't think it's really fair to blame the "company" here. I do also want to say that the fact that we've been deleting/dealing with problems when they show up is, hopefully, a sign that we're taking the commitment that they need to follow the same quality standards seriously? | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 17:39 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | @OlegValter I'll get around to writing one later, but I've had a lot to do today and just haven't gotten around to it yet. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 17:33 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Zoe oh, but then the company wouldn't be able to market Collectives as a controlled space for companies :) Remember the times we were "assured" the companies received proper training in that the articles should follow the same quality standards we have on main? This is the second public slipup in a row, and it just shows what's it going to be once the feature goes out of beta by the end of the year. P.s. But yeah, thumbs up to the request - we must have an option to flag articles for serious problems. Will you make a feature request as TylerH implies above? | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 16:06 | history | edited | 41686d6564 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Aug 25, 2021 at 15:26 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @Zoe I agree it's frustrating that moderating articles requires the intervention of staff. I think the most important thing to implement would be to allow flagging articles. If articles could be flagged, then moderators could at least be informed there was an issue and could escalate such issues to CMs. Right now, there's no easy way to report issues with articles. I do find it frustrating that we wouldn't really be able to resolve such issues, but I understand (but not like) the company wanting to be an intermediary between moderation actions and paying customers. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 15:20 | history | edited | 41686d6564 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Aug 25, 2021 at 15:17 | comment | added | TylerH | @Zoe I don't think you'll find anyone here who will disagree with you, but that kind of ask is certainly better as a standalone question/request rather than a comment... | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 15:15 | answer | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | timeline score: 54 | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 15:15 | comment | added | 41686d6564 | @Zoe Yes, we need to, at least, be able to flag articles and moderators should have the ability to delete them. I didn't know that even mods cannot delete articles until now!!! | |
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Aug 25, 2021 at 15:01 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | It's mildly annoying that we need staff intervention to delete articles. Can we please have moderation systems for when collective owners drop the ball? Including this, (at least?) two Google Cloud articles have made it to meta for being, well, bad or in violation of normal rules | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 15:00 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Cesar M♦ deleted it | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 15:00 | history | edited | Cerbrus | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Aug 25, 2021 at 14:59 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | Articles can not be deleted by moderators. Deleting an article requires a Community Manager. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 14:58 | comment | added | 41686d6564 | @JeanneDark Yeah, apparently it was deleted (by a mod/staff) while I was writing the question. The second question still stands though: "what can/should we do in such cases?" | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 14:58 | comment | added | Kevin B | to a personal blog at that | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 14:58 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Yea, this is basically a link-only answer, and serves no function other than to draw traffic away from the page, on a wild goose chase... | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 14:57 | comment | added | Jeanne Dark | It seems to have been removed already. | |
Aug 25, 2021 at 14:55 | history | asked | 41686d6564 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |