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Aug 24, 2021 at 12:30 comment added Machavity Mod @gparyani They should be warned, yes. I don't think an exception is warranted here. You get one undelete. I don't see that Community changes that
Aug 24, 2021 at 3:08 comment added gparyani @Machavity So you're saying, if Community re-deletes something that normal users undeleted, and then the same users come by and undelete it again, those users should be warned for the policy violation, or suspended if they had a prior incident where they violated it? Or will the rule just not be enforced to its full extent in that case, depending on circumstance?
Aug 24, 2021 at 2:10 comment added Machavity Mod I tend to agree with TylerH. This is a fairly rare edge case and not one I see being abused. I think we can skip the exception for now.
Aug 23, 2021 at 22:03 comment added TylerH @gparyani Sure, I get you. Personally I think a written exception is unneeded; this is one of those grey areas/edge cases that elected moderators are explicitly positioned to serve in their capacity as "exception handlers". So I agree with Kevin B's comment above, in short.
Aug 23, 2021 at 21:44 comment added gparyani @TylerH That's true. I still think that granting limited exceptions to the rule for edge cases (where, e.g., the question was re-deleted before it could gain upvotes, while someone was in the process of writing an answer or editing it, or while it was undergoing reopen review) is a good idea, rather than enforcing it as a hard rule for every single case. The answer body asks for exactly that - limited exceptions - rather than a full exception.
Aug 23, 2021 at 21:25 comment added TylerH I would say yes. Because you wouldn't cast the last undelete vote and not immediately also do one of the other actions (edit, reopen vote, answer) also. Keep in mind the barrier for Roomba is already high, so the threshold for reverting Roomba should also be high.
Aug 23, 2021 at 20:58 comment added gparyani @TylerH Is that still true if the final undelete vote happens to get cast just one hour before the script is scheduled to run? Also, really only the final voter can cast an upvote immediately; the first two voters have to keep waiting as no user can upvote a deleted post.
Aug 23, 2021 at 20:53 comment added TylerH If a question is deleted, a user can cast an undelete vote on it--as part of a successful undeletion-- one time. If you think a question is worth undeleting, then you should also think it is worth either upvoting, reopening, and/or answering (or locking if it's of historical value). Any of these would serve as an appropriate-"strength" action by a single user (or even three users, if all three take such actions) as an attempt to salvage a question. If the question still Roombas again after your successful undeletion, then sorry, the community/system has deemed it was still not worth saving.
Aug 21, 2021 at 17:34 comment added gparyani @user000001 There is a feature request on the global meta to that end. I'm personally not in favor of exactly that; if the question isn't improved sufficiently enough, it should still be re-deleted, but not in the current manner. My preferred solution is to "reset the clock" if a Roomba-deleted question is undeleted: if it was deleted for, e.g., RemoveDeadQuestions, it should have another 30 days to attract upvotes before it's deleted again, etc.
Aug 21, 2021 at 11:20 comment added user000001 What if the one-vote-per-post rule applied to the Roomba script as well? Then this couldn't become an issue.
Aug 21, 2021 at 5:33 comment added oguz ismail A question that doesn't receive enough attention to prevent it from being deleted by roomba despite all the efforts of users interested in it simply does not get to stay. The history of a question does not make it more/less valuable, and is irrelevant.
Aug 21, 2021 at 5:26 comment added gparyani @oguzismail A question may not receive much engagement for many reasons, including simply being an obscure case, as well as other reasons. Also, reposting wipes away the prior history of the question, including attributions for edits and reputation/ownership.
Aug 21, 2021 at 5:24 comment added oguz ismail Open questions can be voted on and answered. And there are several ways to bring attention to a question that has been improved since its deletion after undeleting it (bounties, chat rooms, social media, meta...) If nothing works and you can't salvage a question, you can still re-post it yourself.
Aug 21, 2021 at 4:44 comment added gparyani @oguzismail Open questions can be Roomba'd too. Plus, what about questions that were heavily downvoted due to their prior content (low-quality content that was improved by the author while it was in a deleted state)?
Aug 21, 2021 at 4:20 comment added oguz ismail Undeleters can simply use their upvotes and reopen votes to render the question ineligible for automatic deletion after undeleting it. I don't see any reason to make an exception for cases where roomba is involved.
Aug 20, 2021 at 20:12 history edited 41686d6564 CC BY-SA 4.0
Added diamonds because "Community" could be mistaken for "the community" (especially in the last two instances).
Aug 20, 2021 at 20:09 comment added gparyani @KevinB If it later becomes a system rule, I highly suspect that the devs will copy the rule straight from the existing community rule. Plus, dev changes are hard to get implemented after the fact.
Aug 20, 2021 at 20:05 comment added Kevin B I mean, given that this process is handled entirely by moderators, I'd expect our exception handlers to be able to recognize this exception on the spot, without need for it being in the rulebook, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That said, this is a good thing to bring up in the discussion related to making this rule (one delete/undelete per post) implemented by the site itself, as if the site implemented this rule similar to close votes, this problem would arise.
Aug 20, 2021 at 19:57 history answered gparyani CC BY-SA 4.0