Timeline for Collectives: Grant collective members the power to moderate content, and remove said content from public moderation responsibilities
Current License: CC BY-SA 4.0
26 events
when toggle format | what | by | license | comment | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
Jul 8, 2021 at 15:55 | history | edited | Makoto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
added 633 characters in body
|
Jun 25, 2021 at 11:00 | comment | added | Braiam | @TylerH well, people context is "anything I can post in is a forum". You can't ignore the 99% of people definition, just because. That's why jargon exist. Try to explain someone that SO isn't like other forums. "Q&A sites" was the jargon we created to make sure that people don't confuse us with traditional internet forums. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 23:46 | answer | added | Bergi | timeline score: 12 | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 22:40 | comment | added | TylerH | @Braiam "problem" is not really the right word. I'm saying context indicates a more nuanced use of the term than what a superficial reading might indicate. This is typically something measured in terms of 'grasp of English', not just as a science, but as an art. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 21:55 | comment | added | Braiam | @TylerH are you trying to say that I have a problem with english? And no, it's not a problem about non-english speakers. English speakers everywhere call everything they can post on "a forum". We had to create a entire post telling people that SO isn't a forum. If we had to do that, it's for some reason. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 21:22 | comment | added | TylerH | @Braiam sure, nuance might be lost on people with less of a grasp of English; it is a convoluted language | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 19:02 | comment | added | Braiam | @TylerH if you ask people "what is a forum?" and put a image of a bulletin board ala phpbb, they will say, that this is a forum. If you call yourself a forum, they will treat you as forum, even if you mean something else. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 15:51 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | "...any questions living within a collective" If I understood it correctly, the questions are basically shared between everyone and every collective with tags in that question. It's not that questions live exclusively within a collective. But what you probably fear is lots of low quality questions in these tags? Actually there is one thing I don't completely understand: what is the difference between the golang-collective tag icon and the golang tag? Can there be questions that have one and not the other or would they always occur simultaneously? | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 13:15 | comment | added | TylerH | @PeterMortensen The use of "forum" in "free and open forum" doesn't mean the internet discussion board, I don't think, but rather the traditional "place for exchanging ideas" from ancient Rome. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 13:12 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | The FAQ is Are Stack Exchange sites forums? There is also Robert Cartaino's seminal "Open-forum discussion vs. deliberative assembly". | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 12:56 | answer | added | l4mpi | timeline score: 33 | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 9:33 | answer | added | Mark Amery | timeline score: 55 | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 8:24 | answer | added | 41686d6564 | timeline score: 33 | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 0:57 | comment | added | Someone | It's one thing answering, asking and curating questions when the main beneficiary is the community. This however feels like it's one step short of becoming a free (and volunteer-based curated) documentation writing / bug-fixing service for paying companies. That's the pessimist in me though, we'll have to see how far this goes. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 0:17 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Re "We never intended to become a forum": Well, apparently it is a forum: "Stack Overflow ... It's a free and open forum" (at 2 min 57 secs). -- Prashanth Chandrasekar, 2020-06-30. This is what we have feared all along. As part of the onboarding at Stack Overflow, every employee ought to be quizzed on what Stack Overflow is not (like onboarding for (computer) security). | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 23:44 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | Related: Beta release of Collectives™ on Stack Overflow | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 23:26 | history | became hot meta post | |||
Jun 23, 2021 at 21:30 | comment | added | Makoto | So then we should be unique in the kind of content we're willing to moderate, then @TylerH. Kinda crappy situation that we're going to get dumped with whole new processes with little to no say on whether or not we think the quality of the content we're getting is suitable. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 21:24 | comment | added | TylerH | "the community no longer appears to be the primary driver of what kind of content it wishes to support." I mean I recall Tim or someone saying explicitly a year or three ago that Stack Overflow is unique among network sites in that it does not get a say in what kind of content it allows, in response to me asking basically that exact question. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 21:04 | comment | added | Makoto | @Nick: Sorry but I'm taking a more extremist mentality here. I'm okay with letting this burn because they chose to set it on fire. I want to preserve things on the site as well, but if the company wants us to cast us aside for whatever reason to introduce this whole new workflow that we then also have to support, that's just not something I'm going to cosign. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 21:03 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @Makoto Yep, I'm sure there's a way that they can get it to work, but the potential for people who don't know what they're doing to cause an even larger problem than just more crap to review is too large a risk for me without there being some kind of guarantee of quality [of curation], which realistically isn't going to happen. That said, I'll watch this space. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 20:58 | comment | added | Makoto | @Nick: That plays to the tension of curating someone else's help questions. It's not really the best experience when someone comes here treating the site like a help desk, expecting a typical response to a typical question, just to be told that we actually have standards. Again, I wouldn't mind it if it were something that were voluntary or if money/contracts didn't exchange hands, but if they're paying, surely there's a budget to allow for someone that isn't just in the community to manage this. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 20:56 | comment | added | Makoto | Oh, I never said anything about removing the tools @KevinB. I just said that we shouldn't be held responsible or that there shouldn't be an expectation that the community-at-large handles moderation. Removing the tools sounds way too finicky. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 20:56 | comment | added | Nick is tired | I cant agree with this, purely because collectives are not separate from Q&A, if a technology that I use ends up as part of a collective I want someone who knows stack curating it. Its not that I'm happy picking up slack, it's that I would be less happy with some 1 rep user who got the privilege just given to them doing it. Its the lesser of the two evils in my eyes. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 20:55 | comment | added | Kevin B | I generally agree with the sentiment here. If they're going to pay to slap their colorful logo on it and gain some ability to make their members seem more recognized in the content they post than normal community members, they should take up some of the slack in moderating that content. however... forbidding regular users from using certain tools might be a step too far | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 20:48 | history | asked | Makoto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |