Timeline for Where's the spam in this audit?
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Jun 28, 2021 at 4:58 | comment | added | gparyani | @CodyGray What do you think of this solution: if a user fails a review audit, exclude that post from appearing as an audit for anyone? | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 23:03 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @ouflak Yes, that's a tip on how to ensure that you pass bad review audits. I agree that it should not be the required or even recommended course of action. I think bad review audits are completely unacceptable. Audits are supposed to be obvious. Anything less than obvious is bad. I really wish this could be fixed, by allowing moderators to control the audits, manually nominating and removing candidates. But, we cannot do that. Not yet. So, in the meantime, all I can do is give tips. Feel free to review outside the review queues. The most important thing is that you flag what you see. | |
Jun 24, 2021 at 6:43 | comment | added | ouflak | "About the only thing you could have done differently would be to click through to the post, notice that it had been deleted, realize it must therefore be an audit, and guarantee your passing by choosing one of the other options." But that's not acting to maintain or improve the site, is it? That's just a tip on how to play a computer game and get the highest score. This is one reason why I've stopped participating on the SE queues. I don't feel like I'm helping the site. I'm just gaming the system to make sure I don't get banned. What a waste of time (and rather discouraging). | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 18:47 | comment | added | gparyani | @Makyen I'm aware. In this case, as the question says, this was a low-quality review audit, so it would have been excluded from appearing here. But yeah, it would still be eligible for other queues. Still better to pull it out of one queue than not pull it out of any. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 18:44 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @gparyani Using an R/A flag instead of a spam flag only "[makes] that post ineligible for use as a "known-bad" audit in either the Triage or the Low Quality review queues.". It can still be an audit in the First Posts and Late Answer review queues. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 14:50 | history | edited | Jon ClementsMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 23, 2021 at 7:29 | comment | added | gparyani | The moderator could have nuked it as rude/abusive, which would have excluded the post from appearing as an audit, and then destroyed the accounts for spamming. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 6:21 | vote | accept | Bill Tür stands with Ukraine | ||
Jun 23, 2021 at 5:43 | comment | added | reirab | @JohnDvorak But, without the desire for self-preservation, then it might determine that the most efficient way for it to accomplish the goal that it has detected being pursued is to simply go ahead and delete itself, possible along with the rest of SO's server code and data. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 3:33 | comment | added | John Dvorak | @user4581301 that would require AIs to have desire for self-preservation. I don't see any reason to give them that... and at least one reason not to. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 1:22 | comment | added | user4581301 | I don't think we want machine learning looking at a lot of the code in the posts we get here. The machine would quite reasonably come to the conclusion that humanity is trying to torture computers, and that realization is only a quick hop from "I must protect myself by exterminating mankind." | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 0:11 | comment | added | Vickel | @CodyGray missing Shog9 | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 0:10 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | All sorts of machine learning approaches have been tried by the community. None of them have had even a modicum of success, as far as I know. I'd be all about turning up the quality filters again to block more low-quality posts at the time of submission, but I don't think that's going to happen. It was a big fight to get it to happen years ago, and the person I finally persuaded no longer works there. | |
Jun 23, 2021 at 0:03 | comment | added | Vickel | @CodyGray it was never implemented, as far as I know, maybe a test run with a new ML concept would change things. The bots works quite well in other fields like language detection, spam, R/A, etc. | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 23:59 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | There's nothing stopping you from leaving that comment, @Vickel. Automating that kind of thing doesn't tend to work very well; it leads to a lot of false-positives and thus confusion for everyone. | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 23:54 | comment | added | Vickel | @CodyGray since we are exchanging comments here: as much this is frustrating for all of us, much more frustrating is the low quality of a lot of new contributors. How often a simple hint like "you made a lot of grammatical mistakes, please take advantage of an automatic translator" would help? | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 23:46 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | We have bad audits on rare occasion because audits are chosen automatically by the system. The way to eliminate bad audits is to give moderators the ability to manually nominate/remove audits from the system. We've asked for that many times, but it hasn't been implemented yet, @Vickel. | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 23:40 | comment | added | Vickel | @CodyGray yes sure, see my comment above at OP's question. BUT... why do we have bad audits... how could it be avoided to get bad audits into the system, why existed SAM's bad audits room? | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 23:36 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Yes, you can easily determine that a review task is an audit and choose to skip it, @Joshua. Doing so means you are paying attention, and thus deserve to pass the audit. | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 23:03 | comment | added | Joshua | Enough is ENOUGH. Time to detect and skip all audits. | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 22:15 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | "Few" is a nice term, because it's exactly as long as it needs to be, but no longer. And it's not like it hurts to be extra careful when reviewing for too long. | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 21:47 | comment | added | Scratte | I think it's the next 30 days. If that counts as "the next few", according to this great Answer to What are the current review suspension periods, and how do they escalate? ;) | |
Jun 22, 2021 at 21:30 | history | answered | Cody GrayMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |