Timeline for In the suggested edit review, the user should be asked for a rejection reason when choosing "reject and edit"
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Jun 18, 2021 at 20:03 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Braiam if this is actionable feedback before submitting, I am the British queen. The only things editor gets are ambiguous, and if they want to learn, they have to do exactly what you say should not be done - they have to go to meta, find a FAQ/Q&A buried somewhere under the abyss of posts and read a wall of text. What's more, it is not all black&white either - there are specific errors in judgement of good editors that we, as reviewers, can help alleviate. | |
Jun 16, 2021 at 12:56 | comment | added | Braiam | @OlegValter is not authority, it's experience. Experience that many of us were afraid SE would lose when most of them went away. Also, what you hope the editor which edit was rejected to do? Again, the actionable feedback was given before the edit was submitted, it wasn't correctly followed. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 23:39 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Braiam I prefer not to make arguments based on authority. There's nothing really actionable with the current system: "your edit got rejected, and someone overrode it with theirs". That's all it conveys, nothing else. Whereas it could point to discussions, explanations of why things the way there are, or contain some personalized editors that still care. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 23:10 | comment | added | Braiam | @OlegValter the actionable feedback was already given, with plenty of guidance. More won't do good. That's not something I believe, we've learned that on SO. Try ask Tim Post, Shog, Jon or any old school CM. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 22:25 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Braiam you are free to believe that. That doesn't mean there is no demand for giving actionable feedback. If you think there is none, I can only tell you that you are wrong - there is, a lot. Giving specific feedback is sometimes needed, providing more than just your own take on edit helps not only the post, but the editor whose edit got rejected as well. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 22:09 | comment | added | Braiam | @OlegValter there's no actionable feedback to be had. "You've done goof" like the other answer says and "see here, this is how it's done" like my answer said. There's no redressing. Just a teaching moment. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 19:03 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Braiam I am not talking about putting giant walls anywhere - I am talking about providing actionable feedback for those who care to learn. Yes, there are those, contrary to what one might think. I've seen those with my own eyes. I really fail to see why we, reviewers, should communicate with those people via deliberate misuse of features. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 18:25 | comment | added | Braiam | @OlegValter there's so much you can do with putting giant walls of text in front of users. A simple "if you see something that can be improved, click edit" is enough. | |
Jun 15, 2021 at 17:08 | comment | added | 0Valt | More often than not, there is a FAQ on meta one would like to link to for the education of the editor, or a link to the dictionary definition, or to a grammar/syntax/semantics reference. We can't in the current setup unless we put all this either A. In the edit summary, B. In a comment on the post. Both options are subpar and are a misuse of features intended for something else. | |
Jun 14, 2021 at 19:42 | comment | added | Braiam | @C.Peck of course. How can you improve the post by editing if you don't know how you can do so? | |
Jun 14, 2021 at 16:10 | comment | added | C. Peck | Slightly off topic but regarding this: "Rejection reasons are useful only when the post isn't improved and can't be improved." -- I'd choose "reject" when the edit is clearly wrong and I can't think of a substantive edit. Should I only do so if if I am certain the edit cannot possibly be improved? | |
Jun 14, 2021 at 10:49 | history | answered | Braiam | CC BY-SA 4.0 |