Timeline for Rule proposal: one delete/undelete per post
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May 26, 2021 at 18:38 | comment | added | George Stocker | @tylerh granted. It was “once every few months” previously. Have no way of knowing what it is now. The deletionists seem to have a new fire in their bellies, and likely a lot more time on their hands than the rest of us; if the pace of deletions has quickened. | |
May 26, 2021 at 18:36 | comment | added | TylerH | @GeorgeStocker I grant you your prior experience; I think the argument is that the current mod team considers it a much more frequent issue than it was when you were a moderator... at least in a particular subgroup of users/tag on the site. | |
May 26, 2021 at 18:02 | comment | added | Kevin B | In other words, when you say "good content shouldn't be deleted", what you're actually saying is "popular content shouldn't be deleted." ... regardless of how many people with delete privileges decide otherwise. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:43 | comment | added | Braiam | @GeorgeStocker well, that's another issue, that I've tried to improve. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:43 | comment | added | Kevin B | The existing policy, as enforced by you, has always been if it’s not negatively scored it stays. I understand the benefits of having such a simple policy in that it elevates your actions above liability, however it results in such situations as the very one your answer linked to was posted on. The question is clickbait and the answer is one sided. No one is allowed to dispute it, so we’re left with a one sided q&a pair that doesn’t belong here in the first place existing for eternity, potentially presenting a false narrative that everyone agrees with it. That isn’t good content. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:26 | comment | added | George Stocker | @TylerH I can't speak for the moderators but this is one of those "annoying but infrequent" moderation actions. They take up significantly more resources when they happen, but they don't happen that often. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:21 | comment | added | TylerH | The argument seems to be that the current moderator team is inordinately burdened by handling this kind of problem currently by some users. So "handle exceptions" may sound good, but allegedly doesn't scale here. My personal recommendation might be to just suspend the users causing the problem as I consider the behavior this new policy bans to be abuse even without said policy... but I would also consider the policy as it is currently planned to be an adequate solution, too, and with the benefit of avoiding any accusations of favoritism. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:10 | comment | added | George Stocker | @Braiam Making sure duplicates are correctly linked is important. If they're not, that's a separate issue. (all duplicates should be 1 degree away from the canonical dupe. There shouldn't be 'chain' duplicates). | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:08 | comment | added | Braiam | Well, it makes the site better if it allows people looking for that question are able to find it. But if we already have several with the same keywords... does the extra N questions help? As someone that mainly search questions, the answer is "no". I find too many unrelated questions when I hit something particularly simple. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:06 | comment | added | George Stocker | @Braiam I think that's asking the wrong question. "Does having this duplicate around help people from google find their answer?" That's ultimately what the value of the site is -- can it help people coming from google. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:05 | history | edited | George Stocker | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 26, 2021 at 17:04 | comment | added | Braiam | @GeorgeStocker yes, we have a policy, that policy is a judgement call in a case-by-case basis. The basis is the quality of the duplicate. It's not a default either way, but an evaluation of: does keeping this question around makes the site better? | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:03 | comment | added | George Stocker | @Braiam If this is true of the post that caused the parent to be posted; then there's doubly no need for a 'rule', we already have a policy in place. I haven't seen if this is true. But all of this discussion reinforces we have existing policies for this; we just need moderators and curators to follow those policies. | |
May 26, 2021 at 17:00 | comment | added | Braiam | @yivi in fact, I removed "in general" for that same reason on a revision. I removed it again, to make it a explicit conditional: conditional to the quality of the post. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:58 | comment | added | Braiam | "if they are word-for-word copies or that are so poorly written that they are not useful may be deleted by users with sufficient privilege". Most duplicates fall in this category. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:58 | comment | added | yivi | "In general" does not mean "the policy is to keep them around". That leaves a lot of leeway for trusted users to use their delete votes as they see fit. The vast majority of curation is performed by non-moderators, and that includes deleting questions. You seen to assume that users that interpret the policy differently than you have not read the policy. That's naive, at best. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:58 | comment | added | George Stocker | @yivi because the policy itself says in general. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:57 | comment | added | George Stocker | @KevinB If you can point to something I did in contravention of that policy, I'm happy to have that conversation. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:57 | comment | added | yivi | Why do you assume Kevin has not read the policy? That's a bit condescending and rude. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:57 | comment | added | Kevin B | It isn’t, but your enforcement of it has always been that way. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:56 | comment | added | George Stocker | @KevinB If you read the policy you will understand it isn't one size fits all. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:56 | comment | added | Kevin B | “Long-standing standards” shouldn’t be considered “one size fits all” rules. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:53 | comment | added | George Stocker | @kevinB Our long standing policies on Duplicates are to keep them around. meta.stackexchange.com/a/10844/16587 | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:49 | history | edited | George Stocker | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 26, 2021 at 16:48 | comment | added | Braiam | Remove the default and lock, and you have my support. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:40 | comment | added | Kevin B | "good content" that has been repeated 10k times doesn't need to be preserved by default. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:40 | comment | added | yivi | Moderators are not "standing in the sidelines". They are standing in front of the issue, setting up rules and preparing to enforce them. | |
May 26, 2021 at 16:35 | history | answered | George Stocker | CC BY-SA 4.0 |