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May 25, 2021 at 12:49 comment added einpoklum @Machavity: Fair enough, but my impression is now even stronger that an overly broad and strong measure is being proposed to handle a more limited problem.
May 25, 2021 at 12:22 comment added Machavity Mod @einpoklum I'm not going to link to all the instances I know of because I'm already putting an enormous spotlight on the folks in the most recent dust-up (and believe me, they've made known their displeasure). More importantly, giving Meta a list of places where this has happened would be to invite more people to participate in the problem I am trying to help solve. That makes no sense.
May 25, 2021 at 12:22 comment added oguz ismail Unfortunately, it is. Restriction, mass suspension, whatever it takes. I'm all for it.
May 25, 2021 at 12:17 comment added einpoklum @oguzismail: Ah... so that's what we're talking about here :-) Is that the case in most/all of the examples people are referring to? Then - maybe we should restrict repeat undelete privileges to answer authors for that post?
May 25, 2021 at 12:01 comment added oguz ismail For some reason, important users in question find a duplicate useful to have only if they posted an answer to it. We don't have such problems with other golden badge holders, only a small group exhibits this behavior. They don't have strong counter-arguments against deletion either.
May 25, 2021 at 11:55 comment added einpoklum @BDL: Regarding the regex tag: Maybe it's a social rather than a technical problem then? Perhaps people should talk to those deleter users? 2. It's not low-quality noise, because important users find it useful to have. 3. The answer by Machavity only details some possible actions, and doesn't argue that auto-flagging won't work, only that it doesn't exist right now.
May 25, 2021 at 11:38 comment added BDL Regarding the new propsal for a gradual solution: Most of the current delete wars happen in the regex tag. On both sides people with gold badge in this tag are involved. Defaulting to non-deletion: According to the deleting group, this causes harm to SO because it clutters the side with low quality noise. All of this has been discussed in the linked questions, for example, in the answer by Machavity which explains why non of the current moderator actions really works.
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May 25, 2021 at 11:07 comment added BDL @einpoklum: I only found this. It's kind of hard to search for deleted posts :(. Btw: The question already links to a post discussing several delete wars (the same link oguz ismail added here). Unfortunately, the lists are in the deleted answers, but you are >10k, so you can read them anyway.
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May 25, 2021 at 10:36 comment added einpoklum @BDL: Ok. Will edit my post. But - the OP should have linked to those.
May 25, 2021 at 10:27 comment added oguz ismail There are more here. See other deleted answer too.
May 25, 2021 at 10:16 comment added BDL I didn't say 4 per year, I said: 4 which have been broadly discussed on meta in 5 month. There have been ~10 more I noticed on the main site without being discussed on meta and I'm not even following the worst tags in that regard. I try to dig up at least some of the old posts, but might take some time to find them
May 25, 2021 at 10:15 comment added einpoklum @BDL: 1. So, 4 cases per year? Not sure this merits such a curtailing of closure rights. 2. If no side convinced each other, then probably the question should not be deleted. Although it does make me think of whether the belligerents had sufficient "heft" for me to reach such a conclusion. 3. How about something less drastic, e.g. gradually increasing the minimum necessary reputation for successive closures/reopens?
May 25, 2021 at 10:11 comment added BDL There have been at least three other instances of such delete wars broadly discussed here on meta since start of the year. In all those cases both sides had arguments to support their action and no consensus has ever been reached.
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