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May 24, 2021 at 22:56 comment added halfer I have been lucky in my career that I have not had to be polite or restrained to rude and entitled customers, for any extended period of time. This prompts me to wonder if SE employees have remarkable fortitude, day-in and day-out, given they must read what "we" apparently think about each and every engineer that works there.
May 24, 2021 at 22:54 comment added halfer @mickmackusa: I'm on board with your statement. I just felt that the tenor of the remark I highlighted was an excessive generalisation, and struck me as less than constructive, given that SE engineers undoubtedly read our ramblings here. I wonder if there is a way in which we can communicate how practical things like UX can be improved without wearing down employee readers with what may seem like personal attacks.
May 24, 2021 at 22:43 comment added mickmackusa @halfer The tour and UI around the site does little to inform new users that good content curation is a goal. It often takes years of experience and community-delivered grooming before a user realizes that answering duplicate/closable questions unnecessarily bloats the site and causes extra workload for other humans.
May 24, 2021 at 18:24 comment added halfer "We all know that Stack Exchange Inc. doesn't care about making things easier for curators" - this is unnecessary, and constitutes an attack on all employees. Stack Exchange Inc is just a legal entity, and doesn't have feelings or thoughts at all - the software engineers and product owners etc at Stack Exchange Inc do, and are unlikely to be in universal agreement about everything. I should think that the folks tasked with UX changes at Stack Exchange definitely care helping curators (as would most of us, were we to work there).
May 24, 2021 at 17:48 comment added TylerH It's not abusive to think a closed question should be open/is on-topic; a blanket ban in these terms is wayyy too false-positive happy. I think mods can sniff out abusers of the process you're talking about (people answering nth dupes and voting to reopen then) without a blanket ban on reopen-voting where you're involved.
May 24, 2021 at 17:46 comment added Braiam @MartijnPieters well, we have examples of this pattern, yet it seems that the ones taking the fire is not them.
May 24, 2021 at 15:52 comment added 0Valt @SE_net4thedownvoter - thank you, I knew I was missing something about the reopening. That feature can be weaponized, true. I would amend the "considered abusive" to "raise an auto mod flag" (but, since it needs SE's involvement, it's unlikely to happen unless this is already the case) to investigate (as with edit rollbacks, for example) - this way, the "assume good faith" rule could be preserved and a potentially problematic behaviour addressed.
May 24, 2021 at 15:24 comment added Martijn Pieters Mod Reopening a question because you, as an expert, disagree with the closure is not necessarily abusive. Only when this becomes a pattern, opening dupes to then add an answer identical to the former dupe target, is this an issue. Do that often enough and we will have a talk with such users.
May 24, 2021 at 15:15 comment added E_net4 @OlegValter Should the question be successfully reopened, all existing delete votes are cleared. So yes, there could be a personal motive behind the reopen vote, although I agree with the sentiment that considering this practice abusive in all cases is going a bit too far.
May 24, 2021 at 15:07 comment added 0Valt I generally agree with the answer, "casting a reopen vote on said question is considered abusive" looks like a bad idea to me. A user who already posted an answer doesn't benefit much from reopening the question, do they? Unless I am missing something. If we assume good faith, there is a possibility (not a certainty) that the question was unjustly closed/deleted (although I do not believe it is a common case) in which case punishing just for casting a reopen vote seems like a bit of an overkill.
May 24, 2021 at 14:58 comment added Machavity Mod I'm disappointed that it's not going to be implemented as a system rule The system rule proposal isn't dead AFAIK. We're just to the point we need a rule to deal with what is currently happening. I look forward to a day when mods won't be needed to enforce this.
May 24, 2021 at 14:55 history answered Ian Kemp CC BY-SA 4.0