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Oct 26, 2021 at 18:25 vote accept MachavityMod
May 26, 2021 at 17:03 comment added Braiam @OlegValter well, if moderators side with users which only contributions is sub-par content, we have bigger issues.
May 26, 2021 at 16:31 comment added 0Valt @Braiam with all due respect, I think Baum mit Augen was not wrong in assuming your preferences since you said "making the site worse keeping subpar content". Which is the only side that keeps the supposed subpar content? And that followed the "suspend the users". If the understanding is incorrect, please clarify what you meant instead.
May 26, 2021 at 16:16 comment added Braiam @BaummitAugen they don't argue their case however, so they seem to at least not being cooperative towards a solution. That refusal of cooperation means that they can't be trusted to use the tooling. Also, note that I made 0 reference towards which group should be suspended, but you immediately jumped to defend them. So, maybe evaluate your own biases before accusing me of having one.
May 26, 2021 at 16:07 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @Braiam That comment again appears to be based on the assumption that those who undelete are clearly and unambiguously in the wrong. However, moderators are not the ultimate arbiters of technical merit.
May 26, 2021 at 14:28 comment added Braiam @BaummitAugen changing the system is less heavy handed? We are literally creating something for a fringe case. Aren't moderators exception handlers? Handle this exception and suspend the users for abusing the system and making the site worse keeping subpar content.
May 25, 2021 at 22:36 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @gnat Added a remark on how I think that would work.
May 25, 2021 at 22:35 history edited Baum mit AugenMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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May 25, 2021 at 19:16 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @Braiam I agree with Machavity's answer that suspensions are not a good tool for this problem.
May 24, 2021 at 21:22 comment added Braiam @BaummitAugen so, everyone should be penalized because a group? Just get these people suspended for a year for "low quality contributions" and be done with it. If the problem stops, that helped. If it doesn't, then we can try other solutions.
May 24, 2021 at 20:09 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @Braiam This is where I believe having a "one user, one vote" rule to point to will be helpful.
May 24, 2021 at 20:04 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @gnat Ah, thanks for clarifying. That's a sensible suggestion, but I did not come up with nice wording immediately. I'll think about it a bit.
May 24, 2021 at 18:51 comment added Braiam @BaummitAugen would the users in question accept it? The last time we did this, a moderator had to delete it because the users reopening/undeleting were still doing so even after meta was involved and it was decided that the question weren't that good.
May 24, 2021 at 18:05 comment added gnat I meant users who can't cast un/delete vote because they have already used their
May 24, 2021 at 17:56 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @gnat Sorry if I misunderstood, but I don't quite see how that issue falls into the scope of this Q/A about rules for users who can in fact vote. I feel like a separate post similar to the one you linked might make more sense here if we want to discuss that.
May 24, 2021 at 17:40 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @WiktorStribiżew Sure, I would appreciate it if SE could implement this. And rest assured that we will not suspend anyone for not being aware of this post. The first step would definitely be a heads up.
May 24, 2021 at 17:39 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @Braiam If nothing approaching consensus is reached, as in your example, we should discuss the post on Meta instead of having voting wars.
May 24, 2021 at 9:58 comment added Wiktor Stribiżew Rather than considering something abusive, it is best to make this totally impossible to cast more than one delete/undelete votes per user per post (same as close/reopen). See Dalija's answer that suggests the right things: 1) this must be an SE feature, 2) warnings must be issued first and suspension should be the means of last resort (and I am talking generally now, I feel sad when I see any "power-user" suspended as SO loses expert knowledge and askers often have to wait before getting tangible help).
May 24, 2021 at 8:09 comment added gnat consider editing to clarify what's your take on an option to raise mod flag when 10Ker can't cast un/delete vote. I ask because I have seen similar approach recommended for 3Kers who can't cast close vote, eg on questions with acitve bounties
May 24, 2021 at 3:21 comment added Braiam "let voting reach some sort of consensus" how is consensus defined if the votes are essentially split in half. Wouldn't this be the opposite of consensus? Only the one that has 50% + 1 vote?
May 24, 2021 at 1:50 comment added Baum mit Augen Mod @RodArgumedo There are relatively few diamond moderators. If there is disagreement among us, it will be settled in a private room or on Meta if community input seems helpful, and not through deletion or undeletion battles. So the issue does not quite apply to elected moderators.
May 24, 2021 at 1:44 comment added Rod Argumedo While I agree with this answer, one user action per post is acceptable unless the user has a mod status. This will allow mods greater control of the action audit. I do not favor the "wars" of delete and undelete because the question post audit becomes meaningless and confusing in certain levels. It has to be one or the other.
May 24, 2021 at 1:18 history answered Baum mit AugenMod CC BY-SA 4.0