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I genuinely laughed that you choose to quote this comment. Just take a movementmoment to appreciate the fact that their question wasn't received well anywhere! Maybe, just maybe, think that they might just be asking really really bad questions! Food for thought ;)

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choosechose to make a video about it.

I regularly watch and enjoy your videos, but as I said before, I was very disappointed with this particular video. I am a young dev and SO is a gold mine of a resource. I have been helped here before and I am sure I will be helped here in the future. And I want people to understand and use this resource to its full extendextent and contribute to it as much as possible. Your video didn't do this. It just pushed forward the clickbaity narrative that we are elitists and gatekeepers and that people shouldn't use SO. This is actively harmful to both SO and the devs who look up to you (like me).

I genuinely laughed that you choose to quote this comment. Just take a movement to appreciate the fact that their question wasn't received well anywhere! Maybe, just maybe, think that they might just be asking really really bad questions! Food for thought ;)

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

I regularly watch and enjoy your videos, but as I said before, I was very disappointed with this particular video. I am a young dev and SO is a gold mine of a resource. I have been helped here before and I am sure I will be helped here in the future. And I want people to understand and use this resource to its full extend and contribute to it as much as possible. Your video didn't do this. It just pushed forward the clickbaity narrative that we are elitists and gatekeepers and that people shouldn't use SO. This is actively harmful to both SO and the devs who look up to you (like me).

I genuinely laughed that you choose to quote this comment. Just take a moment to appreciate the fact that their question wasn't received well anywhere! Maybe, just maybe, think that they might just be asking really really bad questions! Food for thought ;)

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question was downvoted/closed/deleted, he chose to make a video about it.

I regularly watch and enjoy your videos, but as I said before, I was very disappointed with this particular video. I am a young dev and SO is a gold mine of a resource. I have been helped here before and I am sure I will be helped here in the future. And I want people to understand and use this resource to its full extent and contribute to it as much as possible. Your video didn't do this. It just pushed forward the clickbaity narrative that we are elitists and gatekeepers and that people shouldn't use SO. This is actively harmful to both SO and the devs who look up to you (like me).

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I must say the worst part of it all is the simple fact when that happened to me, I questioned whether or not I wanted to be a programmer. 

** Goes on along those lines. And ends on a motivational note. I am not typing all that here **

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question/s was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

I must say the worst part of it all is the simple fact when that happened to me, I questioned whether or not I wanted to be a programmer. ** Goes on along those lines. And ends on a motivational note. I am not typing all that here **

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question/s was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

I must say the worst part of it all is the simple fact when that happened to me, I questioned whether or not I wanted to be a programmer. 

** Goes on along those lines. And ends on a motivational note. I am not typing all that here **

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

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  1. This is my response and not SO's official response or anything like that...
  2. I have watched Forrest Knight's videos before and I like most of them. He seems like a good person.
  3. I remember watching this video and being rather disappointed by it. I am one of those 235 dislikers on his video.
  4. I have absolutely no knowledge about microservices.
  5. "Here is a summary of their criticism" - that is not a good summary. Nowhere in his video did he say "Responders tell posters that they are stupid and ugly.". So I am going to ignore this summary and quote the source directly. All the following quotes are from his video (unless stated otherwise).
  6. I'll use FK for Forrest Knight so that I don't have to type it again and again and so that I can differentiate between OP (of the question) and him.
  7. Because I can't see any of the posts/comments mentioned in the video, I'll give FKForrest the complete benefit of the doubt.

Ok. So what I understand from this is that FKForrest stumbled upon a question by some other user and another user had started their answer with "You should do some research".

Giving FKForrest the full benefit of the doubt, I'll say these things:

  • Maybe the answerer was in the wrong and the OP did do enough research.
  • Not sure why the OP of the question didn't choose to include said research in their question.
  • If FKForrest can provide the link to said question then its deletion could be discussed on Meta and further clarification could be given.
  • I'll leave this here because without the contents of that post I can't comment further.

Here FK is recollecting his past experiences at SO. He mentions a question he asked some 7 years ago:

Here Forrest is recollecting his past experiences at SO. He mentions a question he asked some 7 years ago. He also mentions that he didn't understand why he was being downvoted and calledcalls the downvoters assholes"assholes".

From what I understand, the question is very open-ended, aka needs focus (and is IMO probably opinion-based too). Hence the downvotes. I am pretty confident that the questions would have been closed and relevant links on how to improve the question were provided but FKForrest chose not to improve it. Again, it would be better if he could provide a link to said question.

Also, note that FKForrest took downvotes personally and doesn't understand what they signify. Again, it would be better if he could provide a link to said question.

... I don't know why you have to act like that when I am just trying to learn and not only that but Stack Overflow encourages you to give in those donwvotes, to these gatekeepers pressuring you to remove your comment by rewarding you for removing youyour comment. I don't know if it is still like that but 7 years ago, when I removed that comment because I was downvoted into the ground just trying to figure out how they started off their job application - I got my very first Stack Overflow reward. How stupid is that?

Now I have no idea what FKForrest is describing here. I don't think that such a feature exists anymore. I have been on this site for almost 2 years and I haven't seen this. If such a feature existed 7 years ago then I have no knowledge about it. Maybe older community members can shed some light on it.

  1. I think FKForrest is mixing posts with comments (since comments can't be downvoted anyway) and talking about the "Peer Pressure" badge.

And not only that but take a look at this.

** shows youtube comments under the new youtube discussions feature. FKForrest mentions that he has asked his followers to leave comments about their experience at SO **

... The one I found about microservices? Gone! probably deleted. And rewarded for by Stack Overflow.

** Picks a comment and reads it **

crazy, hell place for serious and professional development - such a toxic environment. Sometimes you got better luck asking in subreddits of technologies you are working on.

Fact! they reward you for removing it, but I already talked about that.

** Picks another comment **

Same exact experience as me.

First time I posted a question I was met with the same BS I ended up deleting my question because I felt so bad. Luckily, I am still in school so I could ask my professor for help.

** Picks another comment **

That is my biggest pet peeve, every dev is still learning something or another, just be humble and help if you can. If you can't keep your opinion to yourself.

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that FKForrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question/s was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

And FKForrest, if you happen to read this somehow:

  1. This is my response and not SO's official response or anything like that...
  2. I have watched Forrest Knight's videos before and I like most of them. He seems like a good person.
  3. I remember watching this video and being rather disappointed by it. I am one of those 235 dislikers on his video.
  4. I have absolutely no knowledge about microservices.
  5. "Here is a summary of their criticism" - that is not a good summary. Nowhere in his video did he say "Responders tell posters that they are stupid and ugly.". So I am going to ignore this summary and quote the source directly. All the following quotes are from his video (unless stated otherwise).
  6. I'll use FK for Forrest Knight so that I don't have to type it again and again and so that I can differentiate between OP (of the question) and him.
  7. Because I can't see any of the posts/comments mentioned in the video, I'll give FK the complete benefit of the doubt.

Ok. So what I understand from this is that FK stumbled upon a question by some other user and another user had started their answer with "You should do some research".

Giving FK the full benefit of the doubt, I'll say these things:

  • Maybe the answerer was in the wrong and the OP did do enough research.
  • Not sure why the OP of the question didn't choose to include said research in their question.
  • If FK can provide the link to said question then its deletion could be discussed on Meta and further clarification could be given.
  • I'll leave this here because without the contents of that post I can't comment further.

Here FK is recollecting his past experiences at SO. He mentions a question he asked some 7 years ago:

He also mentions that he didn't understand why he was being downvoted and called the downvoters assholes.

From what I understand, the question is very open-ended, aka needs focus (and is IMO probably opinion-based too). Hence the downvotes. I am pretty confident that the questions would have been closed and relevant links on how to improve the question were provided but FK chose not to improve it.

Also, note that FK took downvotes personally and doesn't understand what they signify. Again, it would be better if he could provide a link to said question.

... I don't know why you have to act like that when I am just trying to learn and not only that but Stack Overflow encourages you to give in those donwvotes, to these gatekeepers pressuring you to remove your comment by rewarding you for removing you comment. I don't know if it is still like that but 7 years ago, when I removed that comment because I was downvoted into the ground just trying to figure out how they started off their job application - I got my very first Stack Overflow reward. How stupid is that?

Now I have no idea what FK is describing here. I don't think that such a feature exists anymore. I have been on this site for almost 2 years and I haven't seen this. If such a feature existed 7 years ago then I have no knowledge about it. Maybe older community members can shed some light on it.

  1. I think FK is mixing posts with comments (since comments can't be downvoted anyway) and talking about the "Peer Pressure" badge.

And not only that but take a look at this.

** shows youtube comments under the new youtube discussions feature. FK mentions that he has asked his followers to leave comments about their experience at SO **

... The one I found about microservices? Gone! probably deleted. And rewarded for by Stack Overflow.

** Picks a comment and reads it **

crazy, hell place for serious and professional development - such a toxic environment. Sometimes you got better luck asking in subreddits of technologies you are working on.

Fact! they reward you for removing it, but I already talked about that.

** Picks another comment **

Same exact experience as me.

First time I posted a question I was met with the same BS I ended up deleting my question because I felt so bad. Luckily, I am still in school so I could ask my professor for help.

** Picks another comment **

That is my biggest pet peeve, every dev is still learning something or another, just be humble and help if you can. If you can't keep your opinion to yourself.

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that FK doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question/s was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

And FK, if you happen to read this somehow:

  1. This is my response and not SO's official response or anything like that...
  2. I have watched Forrest Knight's videos before and I like most of them. He seems like a good person.
  3. I remember watching this video and being rather disappointed by it. I am one of those 235 dislikers on his video.
  4. I have absolutely no knowledge about microservices.
  5. "Here is a summary of their criticism" - that is not a good summary. Nowhere in his video did he say "Responders tell posters that they are stupid and ugly.". So I am going to ignore this summary and quote the source directly. All the following quotes are from his video (unless stated otherwise).
  6. Because I can't see any of the posts/comments mentioned in the video, I'll give Forrest the complete benefit of the doubt.

Ok. So what I understand from this is that Forrest stumbled upon a question by some other user and another user had started their answer with "You should do some research".

Giving Forrest the full benefit of the doubt, I'll say these things:

  • Maybe the answerer was in the wrong and the OP did do enough research.
  • Not sure why the OP of the question didn't choose to include said research in their question.
  • If Forrest can provide the link to said question then its deletion could be discussed on Meta and further clarification could be given.
  • I'll leave this here because without the contents of that post I can't comment further.

Here Forrest is recollecting his past experiences at SO. He mentions a question he asked some 7 years ago. He also mentions that he didn't understand why he was being downvoted and calls the downvoters "assholes".

From what I understand, the question is very open-ended, aka needs focus (and is IMO probably opinion-based too). Hence the downvotes. I am pretty confident that the questions would have been closed and relevant links on how to improve the question were provided but Forrest chose not to improve it. Again, it would be better if he could provide a link to said question.

Also, note that Forrest took downvotes personally and doesn't understand what they signify.

... I don't know why you have to act like that when I am just trying to learn and not only that but Stack Overflow encourages you to give in those donwvotes, to these gatekeepers pressuring you to remove your comment by rewarding you for removing your comment. I don't know if it is still like that but 7 years ago, when I removed that comment because I was downvoted into the ground just trying to figure out how they started off their job application - I got my very first Stack Overflow reward. How stupid is that?

Now I have no idea what Forrest is describing here. I don't think that such a feature exists anymore. I have been on this site for almost 2 years and I haven't seen this. If such a feature existed 7 years ago then I have no knowledge about it. Maybe older community members can shed some light on it.

  1. I think Forrest is mixing posts with comments (since comments can't be downvoted anyway) and talking about the "Peer Pressure" badge.

And not only that but take a look at this.

** shows youtube comments under the new youtube discussions feature. Forrest mentions that he has asked his followers to leave comments about their experience at SO **

... The one I found about microservices? Gone! probably deleted. And rewarded for by Stack Overflow.

** Picks a comment and reads it **

crazy, hell place for serious and professional development - such a toxic environment. Sometimes you got better luck asking in subreddits of technologies you are working on.

Fact! they reward you for removing it, but I already talked about that.

** Picks another comment **

Same exact experience as me.

First time I posted a question I was met with the same BS I ended up deleting my question because I felt so bad. Luckily, I am still in school so I could ask my professor for help.

** Picks another comment **

That is my biggest pet peeve, every dev is still learning something or another, just be humble and help if you can. If you can't keep your opinion to yourself.

Ok. So what I have understood after all that is that Forrest doesn't understand what SO is about. Been there, done that. But the difference is that instead of choosing to understand why his question/s was downvoted/closed/deleted, he choose to make a video about it.

And Forrest, if you happen to read this somehow:

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