Timeline for Deletion/undeletion battles - should moderators step in?
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Apr 1, 2021 at 16:46 | comment | added | Joshua | @Braiam: You have taken a small piece as the whole. Most of the time the answer I would place would be completely unsuitable for the proposed dupe target. | |
Apr 1, 2021 at 10:14 | comment | added | Braiam | @Joshua then ask for merging! You have all the tools to fix the problem, yet don't use it. WHY!? | |
Mar 31, 2021 at 23:35 | comment | added | Wiktor Stribiżew | Implementing this "Once per user per post" delete votes will solve the problem. I was going to suggest it myself, I am glad you did that. | |
Mar 31, 2021 at 18:40 | comment | added | Joshua | @Braiam: I've answered and gotten upvotes on a lot of questions that have become closed. Some were duplicates I didn't find. Some I believe a tailored answer was simply better. Some I believe the closing was not called for. Yet for most of these I would complain if they were deleted. | |
Mar 31, 2021 at 18:06 | comment | added | Braiam | Non-deletion is an exception for content that rise above the rest. It's a pretty high bar to clear. Anything else, should be either improved and reopened or deleted. That is the lifecycle of a question. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 22:24 | comment | added | Kevin B | @Scratte tldr... if something is harmful, casting a close vote, waiting for it to be eligible for deletion, and casting a delete vote is certainly not the correct course of action. Delete votes aren't just for harmful posts. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 22:22 | comment | added | Scratte | @KevinB Not sure if you mean Roomba..? But I don't think this post covers that. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 22:20 | comment | added | Kevin B | @Scratte the most common reason for a post to be deleted is inactivity/usefulness/quality, not harm (aka it was downvoted and left to rot). | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 22:08 | comment | added | Scratte | Closed post should never be fair game just because they are closed. If they were, there'd be no reason to have both closed and deleted. A post should not be deleted unless there's reason to delete it, which is usually when the post is harmful. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 21:16 | comment | added | Braiam | AFAIK, the people that are trying to undelete it, should instead get it merged, or reopened. Any question closed is fair game for deletion, and duplicates are kind of a wash most of the time. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 20:37 | comment | added | Kevin B | Fact is, if people are willing and able to undelete it over and over, people will also be willing and able to delete it over and over. Locking it only delays the problem, and suspension/threats of suspension just discourages use of moderation tools. The tools simply need to be improved | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 20:33 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | Which side is right? Well, any side which has the same people voting on the same post more than twice (without taking it to Meta first) is wrong. Anyone who waits out a mod lock to do the thing the lock was intended to stop is wrong. While I think suspensions would be well deserved in such cases (maybe with a warning first), this seems more like a failing in site functionality and/or available mod tools (although I guess whether it's worth changing functionality for depends on how common the problem is). | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 17:29 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | @Lundin Delete tantrums are something we can handle easily, but how do you resolve two groups of users who are arguing over closure and deletion by chain casting votes? If the question seems marginally on-topic there's no good reason to delete it, and duplicates sometimes require specific knowledge about the subject to resolve what should and should not be closed (there's a much wider debate that will probably show up on MSO at some point about that). It's not straightforward, sadly. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 17:23 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | @cigien The issue is chain deletion. The current thinking is that deletion wars were rare (they really aren't rare anymore). If users are deleting over and over, that's unhealthy. If the same users are deleting over and over it's more problematic. Yes, we can ask them to stop, but our tooling to make them stop is extreme. There's also the lag between when mod flags go up and when they are handled. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 16:52 | comment | added | Ian Kemp | Upvoted for Gru meme. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 16:38 | comment | added | cigien | Could you clarify the "Suspension" section a bit? IIUC, repeated deletions/undeletions are the issue, so there's no question of which side is "right". If so, there simply needs to be some limit to how many times users can perform the action on a post, which is going to be mod-enforced via (threatening) suspensions. At what point should I raise a flag when I see this behavior? Is this something there should be a separate Meta post about, so that mods can refer to that as a justification for not allowing users to do something the system allows? | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 14:52 | comment | added | Lundin | But somebody going on a deletion spree would have to justify it if the mods come knocking and wonder what they are up to. Deleting up-voted duplicates is quite questionable in many cases. I've never heard of "delete wars" like "edit wars", but I'd say that we generally should hold 20k+ users with full delete privileges to a much higher standard than 2k+ users with edit privileges only. If some 20k user goes into a delete tantrum, a temp ban might be order since they really ought to know better. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 14:41 | comment | added | mck | I'd be interested to see the stats in this answer. It was 111 in 2013, but now I think it should be a much larger number. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 14:40 | comment | added | mck | I'm glad that mods are aware of this. This issue is kind of escalating - there are more and more coordinated and motivated deletion / undeletion efforts by certain users. There are always some of these questions that appear in the moderator tools. | |
Mar 30, 2021 at 14:33 | history | edited | BoltClockMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
a random little exercise in alt-texting
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Mar 30, 2021 at 14:26 | history | answered | MachavityMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |